Opinions please: Ultra Nat prostate w Apresflex


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By coochie - 1/2/2012 7:54:33 AM
As  a MD I am extremely impressed with the many knowledgable posters and would like opinions on Lef prostate multi-sup. I am a non-smoker with a healthy diet rich in crucerferrous veg and tomatoes. I eat raw (pickled) cabbage as a supplement. I have minimal prostate sx. I have no history of prostate cancer in family. I intend to take 2 caps/d of Ultra prostate to furthur decrease my chances of prostate disease. My question in essence is can I recommend Ultra prostate to asymptomatic men to 'Prevent' prostate problems. BTW a recommend to pts obtain a PSA at 60 and if normal no fu. My psa is under 1. TY
By coochie - 1/2/2012 10:00:09 AM
Hi   DDye-I'm from central Pa. FP for 30 yrs. Happy New Yr to you and LEF!!
By coochie - 1/3/2012 3:39:38 AM
Hi albedo. You posts are very informative, although I was a bit confused about those two links for benfotamine (I had high hopes that it would affect cerebral BS levels).FP stands for family practice whic h is just a glorified title for general practioner. That is a drug, tamulsin,  I dont like in that it causes ortho-static hypotension sometimes. But if it works good for you.
By coochie - 1/4/2012 8:51:05 AM
PSA values are 'generally' only useful in determining the risk of prostate ca. Taken at age 60 they (PSA value) define ones risk of getting PC in the following 25 YRS. Of course PSA are useful in differentiating prostatitis from other conditions. But I really dont but much faith in PSAs. Tamsulin is more useful if you have co-existing HBP and BPH. Usual dose in US is 0.4 for BPH and 0.2 for HBP. I love patients like you, albedo, who take charge and supplement. I am sure you know more than your treating physician but remember when dealing with doctors always be humble. 
By COQ10 - 1/4/2012 12:52:40 PM
Good topic. What would the benefit of using the saw palmetto vs the Ultra be?
Also since I have been doing the kegel excercises and squats / stretches, my prostate has never felt better. No more feeling of a slight discomfort, peeing better, and orgasms better.........................
By Granddude - 3/17/2012 6:02:46 PM
I have been taking various prostate formulas for several years but still had some problems.  I recently saw an article on UTI's and the prostate so I gave cranberry extract, D-manose and quercitin a try and it worked fantastically.  If saw palmetto is not working for you give it a try.

There is very good evidence linking mycobacteria to cancer so maybe the first place to start in protecting the prostate is with antibacterials and immune boosters. 
By TomG17 - 3/23/2012 1:03:24 PM
The recent hype on Cialis is that it helps with BPH. Are there any thoughts on this?
By GREGL - 5/22/2012 12:14:24 PM
I've been reading alot lately about saw palmetto being implicated in erectile dysfunction. Is there any credibility to this claim? Does LEF have an opinion on this? 
By GREGL - 5/24/2012 7:16:20 AM
Thanks for the info. A little disconcerting, but the side effect was only 1% with the Saw Palmetto vs 5% with the drug.
By RedNecker - 1/27/2013 7:44:01 AM
I have been taking 2 capules of Ultra Nat Prostate a day for a couple on months. 

No effect, I started yesterday taking 6 capules, 2 in the morning, 2 in afternoon, & 2 before bed.

Is there any know side effects of this dosage?  How long before showing improvement?

I have had a swollen prostate for years.  I have to go to pee 4 times a night after bedtime.

I have tried D-Mannose twice a day, not effect.

Urologist  just want to give Rapaflo or similar meds which do not help the problem.

PSA 2.1
By DDye - 1/2/2012 8:11:22 AM
Yes, you can, or they may wish to use saw palmetto.  http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01407/Super-Saw-Palmetto-with-Beta-Sitosterol.html

What country are you practicing in and what is your specialty?
By DDye - 1/4/2012 1:13:21 PM
Ultra Natural Prostate has more ingredients.  In my opinion, someone who has no symptoms might do just as well with a good saw palmetto extract. 
By DDye - 1/6/2012 5:05:28 AM
As you have observed, contrary to what the reviewer has written, Life Extension's Ultra Natural Prostate Formula does contain beta-sitosterol.  See http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01695/Ultra-Natural-Prostate-with-ApresFlex-and-Standardized-Lignans.html Even if it didn't have added beta-sitosterol, saw palmetto and pygeum contain this compound. 

Most life extensionists are getting selenium from other sources. 
By DDye - 3/24/2012 8:47:01 AM
Welcome to the Forums, Tom.

See http://ask.lef.org/5424/Cialis-and-BPH?Keywords=cialis

D Dye
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By DDye - 5/22/2012 12:38:51 PM
The only study on medline that mentions any connection is http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9820264 and this states there was a lower rate of ED reported with saw palmetto in comparison with finasteride.  No abstracts were retrieved for a search of erectile dysfunction and beta-sitosterol (the active component of saw palmetto).  However, a number of abstracts documented reported ED in association of 5-alpha reductase inhibitors, of which saw palmetto is one. 
By DDye - 5/24/2012 7:19:57 AM
Although many reported side effects are indeed due to the drug being tested, keep in mind that study participants are asked to report anything they experience.  So if they happen to feel tired, they report fatigue, if they fell, they report falling, if they weren't in the mood, they might report low libido.  These effects may or may not be caused by the treatment. 
By DDye - 1/28/2013 4:30:03 AM
For one, too much boron on a regular basis can accumulate in the body.  Durk Pearson recommended not going above 6 milligrams per day.  The Supplement Facts http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01695/Ultra-Natural-Prostate-with-ApresFlex-and-Standardized-Lignans.html for the product carries the warning:  Do not exceed recommended dose.  You may need pharmaceutical therapy or surgery to correct the problem.
By albedo - 1/3/2012 1:09:39 AM
coochie (1/2/2012)
Hi   DDye-I'm from central Pa. FP for 30 yrs. Happy New Yr to you and LEF!!

Sorry, not familiar with that terminology: what does "FP" mean?
BTW, I am taking for prevention the LEF formula since many years and quite happy with it. However I am also integrating with tamsulosin 0.2-0.4 mg/d for mild benign prostatic hyperplasia.
By albedo - 1/4/2012 3:16:39 AM
Coochie, with drugs as with supplements I guess it is always a matter of risks/benefits balance and I believe of course that ratios is much worse with drugs. With tamsulosin I had since about 3 years only one quite serious effect of orthostatic hypotension. That is why I am taking responsibility to trickle a bit the prescription (0.4) and taking an average of 0.2 (I think doses range in function of corporal mass, typically 0.8 in US, 0.4 in EU and 0.2 in JP) which definitively works for me and told my doctor he has no other choice ;-). There are other side effects I do not have (so far!) which I am constantly monitoring. I feel I am taking overall charge with a targeted supplementation and prescription. So far so good .. (but would love to have your PSA value, congratulations!)
By albedo - 1/6/2012 1:13:24 AM
FYI a comparison of several prostate support formulas:

http://www.prostate-support-center.com/#review

I am not sure the value of this, who are the people behind this site and no time to research. I am happy they quote the LEF product though even if I do not think they are very fair in just giving "fair" to the LEF product. You can easily add selenium, beta sitosterol and lycopene to the LEF formula (which btw already provides beta sitosterol) and the top of their list have proprietary blends. I like when the composition is fully disclosed and you can tune by yourself what you want to add as extras.

I wonder if anyone here has tried one of the other products in their list and/or has comments. Or maybe a comment from LEF ? (not sure this forum is the appropriate place though)
By albedo - 2/12/2013 5:29:26 AM
RedNecker (1/27/2013)
I have been taking 2 capules of Ultra Nat Prostate a day for a couple on months. 

No effect, I started yesterday taking 6 capules, 2 in the morning, 2 in afternoon, & 2 before bed.

Is there any know side effects of this dosage?  How long before showing improvement?

I have had a swollen prostate for years.  I have to go to pee 4 times a night after bedtime.

I have tried D-Mannose twice a day, not effect.

Urologist  just want to give Rapaflo or similar meds which do not help the problem.

PSA 2.1

What is the problem you are trying to solve? Do you mind to share more details?
I second DDye and also think the dosages of the ingredients in the formula correspond to those most studied (e.g Saw Palmetto, 320mg).
Also, why you are saying Rapaflo does not work? Have you tried it?