Cherry Angiomas (red spots) caused by supplementation?


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By Kira - 6/3/2011 11:21:00 PM
Hi Everybody,
This question is now on my mind for quite a time. Since I began supplementing I have developed a lot of these little red spots, called cherry/senile angioma: http://fromyourdoctor.com/topic.do?title=Angioma+Cherry&t=6697 all over my body. I used to have one on my leg, but since I started taking the supplements (2,5 years ago) it seems there are more every day. I know that they are not considered to be harmful or anything (and the doctors I talked to confirmed that), but I begin to have some cosmetic issues with this. They tend to be smaller than on the photo of the link, but there are A LOT and I know that they are likely to grow.

So I would like to know if there are any of you who have experienced the same or have any idea what in my supplementation may have caused these symptoms.
I know that there is also a hereditary aspect and my mother also began having these red dots after beginning her supplementation. Anyways ... there has to be obviously a connection with some of my supplements, because it started right after beginning this.
I think it might be because many supplements have a good effect on blood clotting (which protects from thrombosis etc.), but maybe I am taking too much of these supplements at once? Might this be the reason why the blood platelet count is lower and I tend to get the cherry angiomas?

I am grateful for any suggestions or experiences on this! Thank you! Smile

Kira

P.S.:

These are the supplements I am taking:

LEF Mix (half dose)
Bone Up
Super Booster
Tocotrienols
Omega 3
Enhanced LEF Protein
Super Curcumin
Optimized Quercetin
TMG
Mitochondrial Energy Optimizer
By DDye - 6/6/2011 4:18:55 AM
Welcome, Kira.

It may be a coincidence that you started getting angiomas after supplementing.  Am not aware of any supplements that cause them.  They are, unfortunately, related to aging, so the passage of the years is the strongest factor in their appearance.  Your dermatologist can remove them if they are bothersome.

D Dye
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By albedo - 6/6/2011 7:34:41 AM
I have several myself and several nevi (hence under constant dermatologist control). As I always disclose to my doctors my supplementation program I recollect having specifically asked about angiomas and skin conditions: he was not aware of any effect which does not mean we should stop researching and keep asking.
By rainbow - 6/6/2011 5:04:26 PM
Kira,

Cherry angioma are discussed  in Dr Chi's book called Dr. Chi's Fingernail and Tongue Analysis - third edition.

Check out www.chi-health.co.uk and www.chi-health.com. The book is for sale at these web sites.

In the book. Dr; Chi states that "cherry angiomas are a manifestation that estrogen attacks peripheral blood vessels, causing an aneurysm.

Therefore, hormones are a major factor of cherry angiomas.

The location of these angiomas is very helpful in determining which organ has the problem. Cherry angiomas on the abdomen may indicate liver or hormonal problems. Cherry angiomas on the head, hairline area or head indicate a stroke or aneurysm risk". 

In summary, cherry angiomas are to be used together with other signs to point to various disorders. His book discusses some of these other signs.
By Tom. - 6/6/2011 7:04:06 PM

I have often wondered this myself.  I too have a few hemangiomas or angiomas and noticed them only in the past five years or so. My doctor did say they were caused by hormonal changes.  I haven't taken the time to really dive into this topic and research it, like I know I should.  I did find this article that discusses the hormonal link:

Understanding microcapillary angioma, observations in pregnant patients and in females treated with hormonal contraceptives

Abstract

We report on histological findings in 3 female patients, who developed microcapillary angiomas either during pregnancy or upon changing the oral contraceptive. These hemangiomas consisted of small, well-differentiated vessels located in the reticular dermis only and did not show any intra- or extravascular cell proliferation. We discuss the possible etiological factors of these microcapillary angiomas as well as the question of their correlation with pregnancy or hormonal contraceptives.

Some time ago I did a search on this topic and I came across this article:

Cherry angiomas associated with exposure to bromides.

Abstract

Cherry angiomas are the most common vascular proliferation; however, little is known about the pathogenesis and etiology of these lesions. We present two laboratory technicians who were exposed to brominated compounds for prolonged periods and who developed multiple cherry angiomas on the trunk and extremities. We suggest that the association between exposure to bromides and cherry angiomas should be investigated by a controlled study.

Doing some research I discovered of the most common bromides is Methyl Bromide which is a very dangerous pesticide. Knowing that bit of information, I wanted to see if methyl bromide could cause other skin lesions to see if there was a stronger link between MB and lesions, and I found this:

Skin lesions due to exposure to methyl bromide.

Abstract

Six patients were occupationally exposed to high concentrations of methyl bromide during a fumigation procedure using adequate airway protection. Within a few hours all patients developed skin lesions, consisting of sharply demarcated erythema with multiple vesicles and large bullae. There was a striking predisposition for parts of the skin that were relatively moist or subject to mechanical pressure, such as axillae, groin, and abdomen. Microscopically, early skin lesions revealed necrosis of keratinocytes, severe edema of the upper dermis, subepidermal blistering, and diffuse infiltration of neutrophils and, to a lesser degree, eosinophils. Two patients developed an urticarial rash approximately one week after the exposure. On histologic examination, these late lesions showed combined features of a spongiotic dermatitis and urticaria. No immunopathologic manifestations were observed. In all patients, the skin returned to normal after four weeks, except for some residual hyperpigmentation. Plasma bromide levels after exposure strongly suggested percutaneous absorption of methyl bromide.

Now, I need to see if there is a link between methyl bromide and hormonal changes.



 
By Kira - 6/7/2011 3:26:53 AM

Thank you for all your answers!

It is somewhat relieving to know that I am not the only one having these little spots. What was disturbing for me when I first researched on the topic is that it is called senile angioma, because they are associated with aging persons. I am only in my late twenties! Crying So what does that mean? Am I aging faster than normal or what?

The hormonal link is extremely interesting! I also tend to get acne and therefore know that there has to be some imbalance in my body. Hormones are an extremely complex issue … and I feel a bit overwhelmed when researching this.

What I alsofound out was that some people say there is a connection between the occurrence of cherry angiomas and stress. Well and stress leads to extreme hormone changes. I have had an extremely stressful life over the past 10 years. And stress also makes cells age faster … so maybe I am in fact aging faster for all the stress. But I think stress for your body is many different things … among others this can be also exposure to toxins. And I know that many supplements are detoxifying the body … which is considered to be a good thing. But sometimes I think the body is unable to cope with the toxins released and now circulating through the body. Some are just circulating, because the body is not able to remove them from the body. And in my case I am pretty sure I have some kind of detoxification disorder, because I have lived a very healthy life and nevertheless I have heavy symptoms when my body tries to detoxify. So this also might be a possibility for the occurrence of these angiomas.

As to the bromide … the last two years when the angiomas began to show I only ate organic food. But like I said: Maybe the toxins that were stored (in fat tissue etc.) over the years are released now through some kind of detoxification process?

 

I think it is strange that there has not been done a lot of research on this… only because they are considered to be harmless? I think every sign of the body tells us something… we just have to know how to interpret it.

 

Kira Smile

By Tom. - 6/7/2011 5:15:13 AM

Based on that medical finding (abstract above) I found this article that goes into depth of our bromide exposure.  It also goes on to say that bromides are major  endocrine disruptors, this is a clear link between bromide exposure and hormone disruption, again linking angiomas to hormone changes. 

Bromide exposure may not be the cause for every case, but since it is all around us in so many ways, it should be investigated as a first cause.  It does point clearly that
angiomas are hormonal. So that clearly says that anything that can distrupt/change/modify your hormones, including aging, can cause angiomas.  How hormones do this?  Check back here and I'll see if I do a bit of research on that and post the answer.

One thing I do know for a fact is that Methyl Bromide is used to fumigate imported goods from other countries. This is especially true with imported furniture to kill dry wood termites and other wood pests.  This chemical can stay in the wood and leach out over time in your home.  Any furniture products made overseas, especially in furniture capitals like Indonesia, may have been fumigated with Methyl Bromide before importing into the United States.  The furniture in your home could be slowly killing you. 


Check out these links:

Exposure to dangerous bromides - Where are they?

The Bromide Dominance Theory - More examples of our exposure to toxic bromides

Methyl Bromide Toxicity: What’s on Your Strawberries?

Methly Bromide - Your Coffee is Killing You!

Bromides - Chemical Properties, Health Effects, Environmental Effects

Methly Bromide Pesticide Information Profile
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"Methyl bromide is considered to be a potent cell growth stimulant and is thus a potential promoter of cancerous growth. In one study of industrial workers exposed to various brominated compounds, exposure to methyl bromide was suggested as the possible common factor in two fatal cases of testicular cancer. The mortality rate for this cancer was significantly higher than expected"

By Kira - 6/7/2011 9:51:20 AM
Wow, Tom ... that's very interesting!

I know that my mother had a severe poisoning with bromide in her teenage years. It was like ten years before she had me, but there can be a connection. I know there are many toxins which are transferred during pregnancy ... the mother kind of detoxifies into the fetus.

I also found a very interesting website: http://www.iodine-resource.com/cherry-angiomas.html

That explains a lot! Remains the question: Why now?! It was really shortly after I began supplementing when I developed the angiomas. And I cannot think of any big change/incident that took place at that time. Well, I began to eat organic food (cannot be the reason) ... and I began to eat sea salt without extra iodine. As I am not consuming a lot of processed food (or dairy products) the iodine that is contained in the LEF Mix is my only intake (now I am taking only half of the Mix dose). Maybe it is not enough? Before that I supplemented with 100mcg daily, plus Salt with added iodine, plus food that contains iodine.
I began to take less iodine, because there were a lot of people (with Hashimoto's disease) warning that we are taking way too much iodine with our daily food (because now there is added iodine in all most every product).

Then I also found this interesting suggestion: http://breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedetoxsymptomsandstrategies.html
... that there is no such thing as iodism and that the symptoms could be rather effects of detoxifying bromide as a result of a higher iodine intake.

I will definitely try to research more on this ...

Thanks Smile
By rainbow - 6/7/2011 11:52:49 AM
Kira, if you are not currently taking our herbs, I would suggest you have a consultation with Dr. Chi.  A telephone consult is just $80.00. 

Healthy regards,

Anna
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