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 Posted 8/6/2013 11:37:14 PM
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Hi

Dr Ornish in his book reversing heart disease suggests avoiding advocado's and eating legumes and grains. Other sources tell us that advocados are good for us and lower cholesterol and grains are bad (see the book against the grain) along with legumes. Who is correct or is the truth somewhere in between ?
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 Posted 8/7/2013 5:44:18 AM
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In my opinion, it depends upon the individual.  If someone is on a weight loss diet, then avocados might not be the wisest vegetable to consume a lot of, but otherwise they are a good source of monounsaturated fat, so unless one's diet is already loaded with fats, they would be ok (unless one is allergic to them). With grain, if one has celiac disease, gluten intolerance, hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, or specific allergies, then they might be problematic (but this depends upon the condition as well as the type of grain).  There are also people who claim to just feel better by eliminating them or by adopting an Atkins style diet that doesn't include them.  Furthermore, specific grains may cause some people more problems than others.  Wheat appears to be associated with the most problems. Whole grains are far preferable to refined grain products such as white flour, which approaches an empty calorie food.

FYI my diet includes both. 


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 Posted 8/7/2013 6:20:21 AM
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With respect to the oft touted monounsaturated fatty acids (like olives/olive oil and avocados), I think this paper is worth perusing:

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 Posted 8/7/2013 7:28:10 AM
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Thanks for these replies and links, interesting stuff. Reading Ornish's book has opened my eyes to the fact that olive oil is not good for you its simply one of the lesser evils amongst the oil family.
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 Posted 8/7/2013 6:43:28 PM
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Olive oil is the only thing i've found that substantially raises my HDL - from around 38 to low 50s, so I'm not sure what to think about Ornish saying it's bad for you.
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 Posted 8/8/2013 1:14:48 AM
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Thanks Donatello, I will probably stay with extra virgin olive oil
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 Posted 8/8/2013 3:00:19 AM
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Also, olive oil has been shown to correlate with greater longevity....
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Dr Ornish is a lover of high carb low fat diets...not a good guy to believe in for me
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I think Dr. Ornish's and Dr. Esselstyn's dogmatic position on dietary fats, just like on the total avoidance of any animal product including fish, is a bold deviation from scientific evidence far away into the realm of ideology. It may well be that an extremely low-fat, phytonutrient-rich diet is the key to the regression of atherosclerosis but there is no scientific evidence to recommend such a severely restricted diet for primary prevention. To the contrary, there is plenty of evidence that foods forbiden on such a diet - like fish, avocado, olive oil and joghurt - contain highly beneficial nutrients. To miss out on those may be much worse for your health that to incorporate these foods into your diet in reasonable amounts - especially as Ornish's and Esselstyn's concept of atherosclerosis is very narrowly focused on cholesterol, while mounting scientific evidence shows that cholesterol is but one of many factors affecting artherial health, and oilve oil, for example, does not only raise beneficial HDL cholesterol but also contains powerful anti-inflammatory and arthery-protecting compounds and has been proven in a recent, large-scale randomized trial to protect against heart disease (That trial was, of course, harshly criticized by the Ornish camp - they have to deal with all of this cognitive dissonance somehow, don't they?)
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The truth is its more about what you avoid eating, than what you do.

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Dr Ornish in his book reversing heart disease suggests avoiding advocado's and eating legumes and grains. Other sources tell us that advocados are good for us and lower cholesterol and grains are bad (see the book against the grain) along with legumes. Who is correct or is the truth somewhere in between ?
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