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 Posted 9/12/2013 8:18:07 AM
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This is a very good article that may help ...

http://drlwilson.com/articles/HYPOGLYCEMIA.htm

A couple interesting points are the different types:

1) Slow oxidizer hypoglycemia
2) Fast oxidizer hypoglycemia

I'm wondering if these types and their symptoms and reactions are influenced by, or even made unbalanced by, the chronic use of dietary antioxidants?   The reasn I say this is because oxidation is a normal, and necessary biological fuction. Upsetting that critical balance or the 'homeostasis of, our antioxidant system might tip the scales, so to speak and cause an unbalance? 

Thoughts?

Also, Modified Citrus Pectin is a chelator of heavy metals.  Do a search engine keyword search to read more.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/mar2009_Modified-Citrus-Pectin-Fighting-Cancer-Metastasis-Heavy-Metal-Toxicities_01.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18616067/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18219211/

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 Posted 12/12/2013 8:49:26 AM
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UPDATE:

After a few months of a low sugar and starch diet, my waking fasting blood sugar went from 99-104 to 89-99 or so.

After 2 bloodlettings and a few more months of the low sugar and starch diet, it went to 85-95.
At this point ferritin went to 60 (was 148) , and A1c to 5.3 (was 5.6).  85-95 is better but not optimal.  The low ferritin is not the panacea for me.  Or it may be necessary but not sufficient.

I tried something new.  Resistant (indigestible) Starch.
After 10 days, the first 3 days of waking fasting blood sugar are 80,86,75.  I am thrilled.  I have *never* need my morning fasting sugar below 85 before.  The RS seems to be the final piece of the puzzle to lower my blood sugar into the optimal range.  Amazing, and it costs around $4 a month.

The resistant starch I use is Bob's Red Mill Unmodified Potato Starch.  2 tbsp in the morning, 2 tbsp in the evening, in water, stevia-lemonade, or my morning smoothie.  I started with 1 tbsp 1x/day and worked my way up.   (Do not put it in hot water, it will "cook" and turn into regular starch and spike your blood sugar)

Resistant Starch is one (new) type of indigestible fiber.  It is a potent pre-biotic, which feeds your good bacteria in the *large* intestine, such as bifidobacteria.  The symbiotic relationship with us runs deep.  They affect:  blood sugar regulation, post-prandial blood sugar spikes, mood, immune system modulation.  

Here are articles on it:
http://freetheanimal.com/2013/11/chris-kresser-health.html
http://chriskresser.com/you-are-what-your-bacteria-eat-the-importance-of-feeding-your-microbiome-with-jeff-leach
http://freetheanimal.com/2013/11/resistant-american-comparison.html

The "American Gut Project" described blew my mind.  It's a crowd-sourced medical research project where they gene-sequence a Q-tip's worth of poo (to find percentages and types of gut bacteria species) and enter it and your 50-questionnaire answers into a large database to look for correlations.  For $99 each.  No Big Pharma bias, no stodgy medical research community bias, no gov't funding bias.  This is the future of nutritional research, ladies and gentlemen. 

The next step for me is to check if my post-prandial BG spikes are reduced.  Then maybe I can enjoy the occasional pizza slice or two!!!
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More results!  I repeated my "yam challenge test" Smile  It's in lieu of a glucose challenge test (which is very unrealistic).  I have an 8-oz yam for lunch which I microwave and eat by itself.  I then measure my blood sugar.

Here was an old test result

Before: 89

40 mins: 176 (!)
50 mins: 166

60 mins: 147
2 hours:  85  <-- famished and feeling weak



And here is now, after a few weeks of 2~4 tbsp of resistant starch.

before: 85
35 mins after: 130
40 mins after: 125
1 hr after: 121
2 hrs after: 84   <-- hungry but not fainty



Incredible!!!  I am thrilled that my reactive hypoglycemia is cured!  Next test, BEER!!!  The massive improvement only appeared after I started taking resistant starch.  Other earlier changes (which may be necessary but not sufficient, as per various morning and post-meal BG readings), include regular blood donations, reduction in (regular) starch intake, use of magnesium oil, and regular kefir, Iodoral, Brazil nuts, Concentrace, and Cod Liver Oil.  
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giskard, glad you are getting good results.  Would you please explain this statement:   "I am thrilled that my reactive hypoglycemia is cured!"

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giskard, glad you are getting good results.  Would you please explain this statement:   "I am thrilled that my reactive hypoglycemia is cured!"
I'm not sure which part I wasn't clear about, but in a nutshell:

- Years ago an OGTT (oral glucose tolerance test), showed a deep blood sugar crash, "reactive hypoglycemia"
- Months ago I did a DIY modified version of the test using a yam, and it shows a high spike, then a crash
- I repeated the test after a few weeks of Resistant Starch, and the results are much better
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Although you are symptomatically improved and the abnormal postprandial elevation in glucose, which can occur in those diagnosed with hypoglycemia as well as diabetes, was reduced, both of your two hour levels aren't essentially different from one another and are above the level considered hypoglycemic.  Not sure if it constitutes a "cure" per se.  Would be interested in the results of a GTT with a longer duration, although the six hour GTT may be "designed for failure." 

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Yes but that was with a yam instead of a glass of glucose.  If someone can tell me where to get the glucose drink I can replicate a lab standard OGTT.  One thing I know for sure though, I can delay meals by 2 hours, and while I get hungry, I don't get shaky anymore.  It used to be "I need to eat, if you don't get out of my way I'll eat your arm!"



Update after a few more weeks:
My post meal BG seems to have gone down some more.

- 1 hr after a large Asian buffet meal where I didn't eat rice/starch but some of the sauces were sweet:  78 (!)  <- I felt full and energetic
- 1 hr after a light dinner but with thin slice of bread pudding, a scoop of ice cream, and a half glass of wine:  90 

This is incredible.  A few months ago the buffet meal would have produced 130, the dessert would have produced 160.





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Glad to hear you've gotten on top of things giskard...

When doctors can't/don't help, and you have to work hard on solutions to your medical issues yourself, it really feels great when progress is made.  I've been through it myself and it really feels good when you finally figure things out and longstanding problems are solved.  

Gongrat's on getting the iron out.  I'm sure this helps too.  Have you seen this?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=bloodletting-makes-comeback-for-met-12-05-30
Bloodletting Makes Comeback for Metabolic Syndrome

Stay Healthy My Friend!  
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Hey Giskard,

I read your posts with interest.  Im very interested in updates on your approach to treating your reactive hypoglycemia.

I've had RH diagnosed for a long while, via the NHS (UK) standard OGTT, my sugar went down to 1.9 mmol/l = 34.2 mg/dl after the glucose drink after a period fasting.  Most of my symptons are related to nervousness such as depression, anxiety, fatigue, brain fog, stress and everything around that.

Through self treatment (NHS won't recognise RH), I've found that a no sugar low carb high fat works best.  Very quickly in days it will give me a more consistent, normal level in my moods.  However eating  next to no carbs (around 25g a day), leaves me quite tired, and far far from the energy felt after downing a sugar drink.

I'm experimenting with Glycerol atm, which shows some promise, it is a sugar alcohol, and is naturally occuring in the body as it is a product of the breakdown of Fats in our bodies.  It is stored in the liver and converted to glucose when needed therefore helping keep blood sugar and energy levels steady.  It does not raise blood sugar directly, and has neglibable efect on blood sugar and insulin.  So for me as a keen sports person has alot of potential as a sports supplement/drink pre/post workout.  Infact its well documented in use by bodybuilders and the like.

Anyway, in my search to find a solution to my problem I got tested and found positive for leaky gut and candida.  Im not sure where I stand on this if its aload of rubbish or not.  But digestive enzymes, pro pre biotics, fibre, etc was reccomended in the treatment.  And your experience with this resistant starch sounded similar. 

Your postings have interested me so thanks for that.  If you want a diy version of the glucose tolerance test then simple fast 12hours(?), measure blood sugar then drink 50grams of sugar in water then measure your levels every half hour or hour and study your curve.

Let me know how your doing.
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Welcome to the Forums, pegleg82.

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