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 Posted 5/28/2013 2:59:48 AM
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Tom:  The solution to the trash problem is incineration --> energy, which is win-win and profitable.  Ditto for old tires.
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Tom. (5/27/2013)
My sincere respect to both sides of the issue. Here is my two cents ... 

This has always perplexed and bothered me to some degree -- What is humankind going to do with all of our trash/garbage/rubbish produced?  I mean seriously, land fills can not be the answer forever.  To date, debris floats in enormous patches in the ocean. [LINK OUT] Sea life are dying because of our trash. Beaches look like wastelands. [LINK OUT]  We live and die and leave behind our garbage for the next generation to deal with.  The aftermath of hurricanes and tornadoes cause devastation that produces a garbage-soup of debris.  Where does all that go?  ... and on, and on, and on ...  A person can't walk  anywhere anymore and not see a piece of trash thrown here and there.  Go walk down your street and see if you can walk a mile without seeing a piece of trash. You cant!  Even in some of the remote places in nature, scientists find cigarette butts! -- They don't decompose.  Most of the garbage humankind produces doesn't decompose but sits above or underground or floats in earth's bodies of water forever.  This is a problem no matter if we're over or under populated because humankind's garbage doesn't go away with each generation. It accumulates.


Dear Tom, Thank you for bringing up another very big problem caused by overpopulation. The entire world`s oceans and seas have all this plastic that NEVER breaks down accumulating at an alarming rate. This plastic kills ALL manner of sea life. They literally choke to death on it.
   The last I heard: The once massive source of fish of many types called GEORGES BANK is now all but gone as a fish source. And the same is true for many if not all such sea resources. Yes there are some fish out there but nothing at all like it was about 20 years ago.   ...Oscar


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 Posted 5/29/2013 2:36:56 AM
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Oscar2u:  The situation with plastics in the oceans is of some concern.  One possible solution is to genetically engineer bacteria which can break this plastic down.  
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Oscar2u:  The situation with plastics in the oceans is of some concern.  One possible solution is to genetically engineer bacteria which can break this plastic down.  


Stop for a moment here. Any bacteria that can break down plastic IS going to be a VERY dangerous one. If it can break down plastic it will KILL people with ease. Probably most any life form. It is just such screwball approaches to life`s problems that lead to further dangers. You obviously have NO understanding of the principles and the physics of organic chemistry.
   That is the problem I have with all techno fixers: Their answers to problems end up creating far worse problems.   ...Oscar

The only answer is to reduce or at least gain control of population growth.   ...Oscar

POST SCRIPT: So very many tissues and life processes involve molecules that have a high hydrocarbon content just like ALL plastics do. Plastics of many if not all types are totally uneffected by any bacterium. Plastics have been around for over 100 years now. No plastic eating bacterium has evolved. Do you REALLY think it would be a good idea to atificially create one ? God, if there is a God help us if some narrow minded scientist ever creates one.
   Some scientist created killer bees. Others are playing around with the most dangerous viruses and bacteriums. Others are verging on creating artificial intelligence which when combined with what is now doable regarding robotics: That TERMINATOR movie scenario will seem as NOT that bad. We are talking about machines with the capacity to expand their knowledge at the speed of light. For all practical purposes INSTANTANIOUSLY. And there is NO reason whatsoever to even consider it a remote possibility such machines would ever give a crap about the well being of people. We in all likelyhood would seem an annoyance to such beings. Like troublesome mice at best. More likely they will see us as a dangerous disease.

Here is one of many articles regarding AI sure to cheer YOU up, not me:

   http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130513103803.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Fcomputers_math%2Fartificial_intelligence+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Computers+%26+Math+News+--+Artificial+Intelligence%29   
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Oscar2u:  The bacteria already exist; see http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110328/full/news.2011.191.html

 
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Transpower (5/28/2013)
Tom:  The solution to the trash problem is incineration --> energy, which is win-win and profitable.  Ditto for old tires.


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Ideas can only be considered true solutions if they're put in practice. Rubbish beaches, smelly land fills, and oceanic garbage patches prove that the majority of humans don't care. Human nature being what it is the trash problem will always exist and grow beyond generations.


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Tom:  The solution to the trash problem is incineration --> energy, which is win-win and profitable.  Ditto for old tires.


Trans,
Ideas can only be considered true solutions if they're put in practice. Rubbish beaches, smelly land fills, and oceanic garbage patches prove that the majority of humans don't care. Human nature being what it is the trash problem will always exist and grow beyond generations.


Dear Tom, I know your message was meant for Transpower. But I feel, believe, you have put your finger on the crux of this problem and that is why I am responding to this posting of yours.
   Yes, the solutions to all of these problems are understood and doable right now and have been for many decades now. Plastics can be recycled for example and many are being recycled. But enough plastics are not being recycled to solve that problem.
   Also, many types of effective birth control have been in place for many decades now, but again, not enough people are using birth control to resolve this problem.
   So the answer, if there is an answer to these problems is to find some way of getting most of the people alive to live in such a way as to allow for a sustainable environment. That seems extremely difficult if not impossible to do at this time. That could change. I do hope so.   ...Oscar
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Transpower (5/29/2013)
Oscar2u:  The bacteria already exist; see http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110328/full/news.2011.191.html.  




Your link does not work, but I believe you. Oh great. I am being sarcastic. Did this bacterium evolve naturally or was it created by some misguided scientists ?   ...Oscar

OK, you are right about that. In fact there area number of different bacteria and even a mushroom that can feed on at least some plastics though not all plastics. Here is a link about such a bacteria that exists in the oceans. It is worth mentioning SOME scientists are concerned about these plastic eating organisms. This was and is a big surprise to me. You win that one transpower. Here is one of many links I found about this:

           http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/30/plastic-eating-bacteria-found-in-ocean-desert-scientist-says/  
      
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I took the period off the end of the link, and it now works.  Tom:  I think you're too pessimistic.  Incineration can take care of trash problems on land.  The situation in the ocean is more difficult, but bacteria will eventually solve the problem.


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Transpower (5/30/2013)
I took the period off the end of the link, and it now works.  Tom:  I think you're too pessimistic.  Incineration can take care of trash problems on land.  The situation in the ocean is more difficult, but bacteria will eventually solve the problem.




Trans, Maybe you are right about me being overly pessimistic. For myself and everyone`s sake I hope you are right. As, I said before; You are right about there being plastic eating organisms.   ...Oscar


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