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I am really shocked with some information about HIV/AIDS relation from some respected and important scientists, even 2009 Medicine Nobel Prize, who say HIV is not the primary cause of AIDS

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 Posted 8/21/2012 2:41:55 PM
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No it is not a scam. It is a deadly viral disease that has killed many millions of people and continues to do so.
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 Posted 8/22/2012 5:59:47 AM
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LEF Magazine September 2012 has an article about controlling HIV with good nutrition

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Sorry but it REALLY is a SCAM.

Pr Karry MULLIS, Nobel Prize winner and inventor of PCR technology used to measure true viruses load, but which has been deviated to allegate so-called HIV-viral load assessment. He has been himself one of the pioneers investigating that subject and he firmly rejected the "HIV theory" as well as any proven medical significance of "so-called-HIV-viral load" measurement by his PCR method.

***Just read or listen on YOUTUBE:
***http://www.duesberg.com/viewpoints/kintro.html
***http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL3cAS3YUKM

He is along with no less than 2 000 scientists from more than 50 countries who acknowledge that:

#1  ELISA and other WESTERN-BLOT tests cannot prove HIV presence (as a matter of fact, all labs do prin a legal disclaimer stating that even a seropositive test is NOT THE PROVE of HIV infection but it ONLY denotes the presence of certain antibodies !!!)

*** Just read:
*** https://sites.google.com/site/hivdeception/hiv-tests
*** http://aras.ab.ca/rethinkers.php

#2 HIV as never been isolated as a virus (as it is the case for all true viruses like Herpes, Polyo, Epstein-Barr etc...) but is only SUPPOSED to exist according to a certain number of ANTIGEN proteins which have been arbitrarily assigned to be HIV-virus signature !!!! All images distributed in newspapers are only SYNTHESIS COMPUTER-MADE Drawings of what HIV is supposed to be !!!

#3 Even if HIV would exist, Nobel Prize Pr Luc MONTAGNIER, inventor of the HIV-antigen proteins signature (but who failed in isolating and purifying the HIV virus) has many times declared that HIV alone CANNOT lead to AIDS and that you can be in contact with HIV many times and that your immune system will manage to get rid of it!!! (even several interviews at the TV!!!)

***Just read or listen on YOUTUBE:
***http://reducetheburden.org/?p=2150

#4 Nobel Prize Pr STROHMAN along with dozens of renamed international scientists (Dr DUESBERG, Dr PAPADOPOULOS, Dr DE HARVEN etc...) have demonstrated that AIDS is NOT a DISEASE but a SYNDROMA which means a true disorder and series of SYMPTOMS but that can have many different causing factors, which are of CHEMICAL origin but of INFECTIOUS origin. Theses CHEMICAL factors can be BLOOD TRANSFUSION containing uncompatible proteins or chemical agents, TOXIC DRUGS infusion or injection such as Heroin or any else, POPERS inhalation (mainly the first generation of POPERS that were containing nitrile compounds much more dangerous that the current ones due to legal restrcitions), cumulated sexual diseases provoked by a great number of sex partners and leading to  cumulated ANTIBIOTIC prescription such as AMOXICILLIN, BACTRIM Sulfamids for a long period of time, destroying progressively the Immune system.

*** Just read scientific publications:
*** http://www.ias.ac.in/jbiosci/jun2003/383.pdf

#5 Same Nobel Prizes and Scientists have demonstrated and published that the initial AIDS symptoms provoked by chemical origin (see #4 above) have then been WORSENED by agressive chemical drugs such as AZT, DDC etc... which seemed to improve the people condition at the begining but that destroy completely at the end the immune system alike all chemiotherapies do for cancer.

*** Just read:
*** http://www.whatisaids.com/mothering/aztpoisoningbabies.htm
*** http://www.rethinkingaids.com/Content/GetinvolvedRedAlerts/tabid/115/Default.aspx

#6 Many associations of thousands patients around the world can now testify that is possible to live "positive" and WELL without any tri-therapy neither other chemical drugs, simply by having a sane and well nourished life and by suppressing the CHEMICAL intoxications (no DRUGS, no LONG TERM ANTIBIOTICS, no CHEMIOTHERAPY...).

*** Just read:
*** http://www.aliveandwell.org/

#7 Pure sexual HIV transmission is another SCAM. Since HIV is ONLY a "signature" resulting from a CHEMICAL intoxication and it is NOT a true virus, it is not INFECTIOUS and it cannot be transmitted through normal sexual intercourse. Of course, if you practice violent sexual intercourse with a lot of blood contact with a SEROPOSITIVE partner, or if you have anal intercourse (the intestive mucosis is absorbing quickly all toxins it is in contact with) you  might experiment a possible -- yet theoretical-- transmission of certain ANTIGENS from your partner leading to your ANTIBODIES reaction and then turning to a SEROPOSITIVITY test.

But many studies (Dr PADIAN, Dr FUMENTO etc...) have demonstrated that unprotected prostitutes NEVER turn seropositive if they DO NOT use DRUGS etc... HIV transmission in normal heterosexual couples is a SCAM. Several cases have led now to litigations and at least in EUROPE, several Courts are now starting to recognize the absence of direct link between SEROPOSITIVITY, HIV and AIDS. Even an internal association (OSMJ) is acting to support other similar legal concerns, mainly in the USA where the "official HIV theory of AIDS" is strongly promoted by million dollars pharmaceutical companies.

*** Just read:
*** http://www.peaceandlove.ca/AIDSsexmyth.html

#8 Seropositivity is only an ANTIBODY signature that may result from a great number of causes which are NOT the consequence of a true virus infection by so-called HIV but which is created by other conditions: repeated B-Hepatitis-vaccines, Herpes type 2 pre-existing infection (a true virus creating in certain people, similar antibodies as so-called HIV-signature) are the most common causes but scientists have published a liste of 70 causes of seropositivity tests which are NOT due to HIV-infection, including certain blood conflicts in PREGNANT women, african parasitis and malaria cross-reactions etc...

*** Just read:
*** http://www.amazon.fr/What-Everything-Thought-About-Wrong/dp/0967415306

#9 New generation tri-therapies promoted by big Pharmaceutical industry is also another SCAM. They are acting similarly as long-term cortison in inflammatory disorders, hence they give the appearance of a relief but their long-term side-effects lead the patient to die of them. So the patients don't die anymore of AIDS but they die of the CHEMICAL TOXICITY of the tri-therapy drugs. The patients outcome improvement and decrease of AIDS deaths is NOT the result of tri-therapies themselves but it is simply the consequence of stopping AZT-DDC etc. use along with a sane lifestyle without toxic drugs/narcotics injections and Popers suppression.

Now thousands of people who had been tested SEROPOSITIVE have decided to progressively STOP their tri-therapy prescription, and then have a sane lifestyle with plenty of natural vitamins and they ARE ALIVE AND WELL for years !!! Many internet sites in different countries can now testify of this new true reality and of the deadly "profil-oriented" SCAM of the Big Pharma Industry.

==> Now you cannot say anymore that you did not know that SEROPOSITIVE TEST=HIV=AIDS= DEATH is a complete SCAM organized by the Pharmaceutical Industry to sell around the world addicting tri-therapies at high prices to generate profit on the back of ignoring patients.

Enjoy your life, be happy and transmit that message to your frineds...
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 Posted 9/18/2012 4:35:00 AM
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Welcome to the Forums.  Thank you for sharing your thoughts.  My opinion and that of many others is that HIV is not a scam.  Even Kary Mullis stated 20 years ago that he was just saying that science hadn't [yet] proved that HIV causes AIDS.  He did not say that the virus does not cause the syndrome.

One can also find arguments that science hasn't proven that cigarette smoking causes lung cancer. 

I do think that these arguments are good to hear, since they force us to question our assumptions.  However, it would be dangerous to ignore the current consensus on HIV transmission.


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I do not care about what you or some NOBEL prize winner has to say. The AIDS virus is for real. I am amazed that you or anyone else would question that FACT after all these years. The AIDS virus has been isolated and identified.
   You are in a state of denial about this issue. This is a FACT you choose to ignore. I had an aquaintaince who like you chose to ignore this fact back in the late 1980`s when there was still some debate going on about all this. His big concern was keeping the so called bath houses in New York City open. That was THE big concern for gays back then. He was not interested in hearing about the AIDS virus. He contracted AIDS and died about 3 months after his first symptoms appeared. There was no interferon back then. He suffered a miserable death. He was about 30 years old at the time and a healthy person prior to becoming infected with the AIDS virus.
   Also: Being a NOBEL prize winner in NO way means such a prize winner is right about everything. Even Einstein got it WRONG about a number of issues, even in issues surrounding his supposed expertise. He [ Einstein ] believed in the so called solid state universe. He also believed in the old aether concept regarding how light waves traveled for a while. The nature of light waves was what Einstein was awarded the NOBEL prize for and NOT relativity and special relativity because those concepts were previously described by others including Henri Poincare, Lorenz, and others. Also: Samuel Tolver Preston was the first to publish about matter being concentrated energy before Einstein was born and came up with the equivalent of E=MC squared in English measuring units. Again, this was before Einstein was even born. So much for NOBEL prize winners being infallible. Keep thinking those happy thoughts, but ignore proven scientific facts at your risk regarding AIDS. Please do NOT encourage others in this forum to do so.   ...Oscar

Post Script: You can learn about the almost unknown Samuel Tolver Preston here if you wish to. He also believed in the old aether concept. He was by no means infallible :  http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep6/ep6-bjerk1.htm

I just read that link. The one thing that jumped out at me was: Maybe there is something to that old aether concept after all. It seems very similar to me to some of the most recent concepts being bandied about including string theory, Higgs particles, and some new guy`s concept regarding such things as discussed in the THROUGH THE WORMHOLE television series. Different names for the same thing. This S.T. Preston is very much before his time.


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Oscar:  I agree that the AIDS virus is for real.  As for Einstein, he rejected the notion of the aether, and he won the Nobel prize for his work on the photoelectric effect.
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... and the moon landing was elaborate hoax created by NASA, broadcast from hanger 18 in Roswell NM, so that the USA could claim being first on the moon ... and other such nonsense.

If you're going to present such a theory about AIDS please do so with a properly written, and currently cited research paper/article.

Thank you.

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Oscar:  I agree that the AIDS virus is for real.  As for Einstein, he rejected the notion of the aether, and he won the Nobel prize for his work on the photoelectric effect.


Hi Transpower, We do agree about the issue being discussed: The AIDS virus is all too real. And you are right about Einstein`s NOBEL prize. I knew it had something to do with light. Look, I will NOT pretend I can understand any of that stuff. My point was that even NOBEL prize winners get it wrong about some things, and quoting NOBEL prize winners does NOT prove anything.
As far as I am concerned: The evidence is in, the AIDS virus is very real and a concern for all of us. I am amazed that some still question that well proven FACT. I am NOT up on the latest information available regarding the AIDS virus. I along with many people had hoped a vaccine would eventually be found. As far as I know: That has NOT happened. It used to be a big concern for me. I used to have a sex life. A happy, hippy kind of guy enjoying the sexual liberation that occurred during the 1960s forward in time until the AIDS virus showed up. The party ended to a significant degree with the emergence of the AIDS virus. That is the reality we all have to live with at this this time.   ...Oscar
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Excellent post!
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