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 Posted 7/20/2012 12:31:04 PM
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Can someone reccommend the best combination of supplements for joints/bone and cartilage health. 

I have disc degeneration in my cervical spine and lower back and inflammation of the tendons in my shoulders plus cysts on head of humerus on both shoulders. I have some nerve impingement. I was thinking of getting Bone Restore, but also Bio-Collagen with UC-II. Should i also the opt for the Fast acting joint formula or the Krill Healthy Joint formula? Also then what about Glucosamine and chondroitin. So many supplements I don't know where to start. Really want a combination that's going to strengthen the tendons and bones to reduce likelihood of further disc degeneration and hopefully reverse some of the damaged. 


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 Posted 7/20/2012 12:42:15 PM
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For disc degeneration, glucosamine may help, as may chiropractic treatment.  Unfortunately, there is a hereditary component to degenerative disc disease that you can't do anything about.  There are disc replacements available now. 

For the bones, calcium, vitamin D and vitamin K are good, as is exercise.


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 Posted 7/20/2012 11:07:39 PM
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I didn't realise they could replace discs? I'll have to Google that. Been reading very interesting stuff about use of adult stem cells injected into the joint/area to replace tendons and stimulate disc regeneration but seems to be limited to knees, shoulders and back as opposed to cervical spine, at least for now. 

Anyway, with regards supplements, could you be a bit more specific on which Life Extension products to use. 

Having a look again at the products, I was thinking Arthromax Advanced with UC-II & ApresFlex, should I also combi Bone Restore with that or is that overkill? Also which would be the better joint formula, the Krill or fast acting? Do any of the ones I mentioned have Vitamin K included?
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 Posted 7/21/2012 3:36:40 AM
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Can someone reccommend the best combination of supplements for joints/bone and cartilage health.

 
 
 
If you're taking resveratrol, you should stop.
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 Posted 7/21/2012 5:05:55 AM
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I'm not currently taking resveratol, but was considering adding it in. Why do you not recommend it?
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 Posted 7/22/2012 7:19:21 AM
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I've recently begun to be a big fan of MSM.  Try at least 1000 mg a day.  Of course I also take the GNC joint supplement Tri-Flex Sport.
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Combining a bone formula with a joint formula is fine.  ArthroMax Advanced with UC-II & AprexFlex contains glucosamine, which may help.  As for the others, you may not need to add them.

The products you mentioned don't contain vitamin K, but Dr Strum's Intensive Bone Formula does:  http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01506/Dr-Strums-Intensive-Bone-Formula.html


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not sure if there are supplements for this;
but correcting a thyroid disorder may help bone:

carnitine saves bone when thyroid acts up
. high T4 and high TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone)
results in lower bone density .
. however it may not be the thyroid directly;
rather,
high thyroid causes high cortisol
and high cortisol causes osteoporosis .
. when hyper-thyroid women were given carnitine
they had better bone density;
and it's known that after carnitine usage,
thyroid hormones can't get to their target;
but some thought this link was not direct:
rather, they theorized that
because carnitine may also lower cortisol
it could be the cortisol reduction
that has carnitine saving bone .
... however, I couldn't find anything on
carnitine's lowering of cortisol,
except that at huge doses it can raise cortisol;
so, I'm theorizing that the reason for
carnitine helping bone mass,
is that it prevents high thyroid activity
and then normalizing thyroid also normalizes cortisol,
which then normalizes bone density .
. any hyperthyroid osteoporosis with normal cortisol?
. Thyroid hormone directly stimulates bone resorption
in organ culture .
. hyper-thyroidism is associated with
accelerated bone remodeling;
conversely,
hypo-thyroidism is associated with
bones that are denser but not stronger
suggesting a retarded resorption
(bone building adds the density
but matched breakdown is needed for strength).

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thyroid affecting bone, tendons, and shoulders:
# Osteoporosis.
Osteoporosis (thin brittle bones) may occur in thyroid disease because of a loss of calcium and phosphorus from the body.
# Bursitis in hyperthyroidism.
Bursitis, particularly of the shoulder joint,
commonly occurs with an overactive thyroid gland.
It may also occur surrounding other joint areas.
Joint areas show thickening and soft tissue swelling,
and there is significant limitation of motion of joints.
# Hypothyroid arthritis.
Arthritis from an underactive thyroid gland is related to
excessive deposits of certain proteins in connective tissues.
Thyroid stimulating hormone, produced by the pituitary gland at the base of the brain,
may cause the excessive protein collections.
Symptoms include vague aches and pains, but usually there are no inflammatory signs.
Joint thickening and fluid collections occur in 33% of patients.
Knees, ankles, and small hand and foot joints are involved and are unusually thick. Knee x-rays show a characteristic thinning of bone near the joint.


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If you're taking resveratrol, you should stop.


Why do you say that. Please respond with reasons and proof links.
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