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 Posted 2/19/2013 7:27:48 AM
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DDye (2/18/2013)
While not being a cure for an active infection, am wondering if cranberry and/or blueberry extracts or juice might at least help a little with prevention.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/apr2010_Halt-the-Vicious-Cycle-of-Urinary-Tract-Infections_01.htm


Sorry DDye, this is probably not really in scope in this thread, but .. do you have an opinion and experience between the two formulas LEF is providing:
  • the Item# 0086, the CranMax Cranberry Extract 500mg
  • the Item# 0142, the Optimized CranMax with UTIRose
The reason I ask is my wife decided to do some prevention after a couple of UTI events and she ordered 8 months supply of the 0086 to test the CranMax with nothing else and also having the advantage of just one capsule daily. Would the 0142 been better?


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 Posted 2/19/2013 8:15:33 AM
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That would have been my choice.

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 Posted 2/19/2013 11:49:04 AM
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DDye (2/19/2013)
That would have been my choice.

Sorry, just to be sure, you would have also chosen the Item 0086?
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 Posted 2/19/2013 11:58:47 AM
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Both products can help prevent UTI, as can drinking cranberry or blueberry juice.  The addition of hibiscus to #01424 Optimized Cran-Max with UTIRose provides an additional angle.  Read more about it at  http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/apr2010_Halt-the-Vicious-Cycle-of-Urinary-Tract-Infections_01.htm  This doesn't mean that 00862 Cran-Max(R) won't work as well for her.  It's hard to determine what threshold of prevention an individual may need.  For some, drinking more water and observing certain hygienic practices is enough. 

One of my relatives was plagued with this problem decades ago and her physician advised her to take showers, not baths.  She never had another UTI after that.  (Mechanism of action unknown to me.)


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 Posted 2/26/2013 5:10:50 AM
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This might be of interest http://www.spacedoc.com/prostatitis.html

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 Posted 2/26/2013 1:29:18 PM
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DDye (2/26/2013)
This might be of interest http://www.spacedoc.com/prostatitis.html

Thank you DDye, interesting indeed on the effect of infection on PSA. Makes me even more determined to work on that and inflammation.

The UTI in my wife case was caused by Klebsiella pneumoniae treated very well with ciproflaxine.

One question: do you know how long you should try treating recurrence with CranMax? In the last (March) LEF magazine (p. 11, "As We See It") there was a quote stating at least 30 days (w/ 2 references quoted) which looks a bit short. Maybe she could have a 6 months course, then stop for a while and ev. treat again? Just a guess, did not have time to research on this yet and maybe overlooked it the LEF link you have send above.
Any idea?

Maybe it is also appropriate to post here the EUA Guideline on Management of Urinary and Male Genital Tract Infections for our further reference.


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 Posted 2/26/2013 2:26:49 PM
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If you mean prevent recurrence, Cranmax can be used indefinitely.  IMO UTI is best treated with antibiotics. 

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An update and positive outcome ....

I had (bipolar) TURP in January and recovered well w/o complications.

At 1-month check up with ultrasound, my PVR was still high but 50% lower than before TURP. I re-tested at 3 months from surgery, keep reading ...

I think I found a method to probably void the PVR: standing and after the first urge and urination, I bend my upper body almost 90 deg and also apply a gentle pressure on the pelvic region above the penis. I then return straight and gently strain to further void. For some reason (rising liquid level in the bladder and triggering some nervous reflex??) I am able to void a little more, impossible otherwise. Repeating several times I feel I can void almost all my PVR. Doing this process before going to bed, non only I have no nocturia but have very small urine in the morning.  Hopefully this can be a good simple way to help bladder shrinking and further help after the TURP (done because of PVR). Is this method working? Keep reading ....

At 3 months from surgery I did my second test to check PVR and the maneuver described above.

I arrived to doc with full bladder. At urge, I could void w/o difficulty 630 mL with a Qmax of 26-27 mL/sec and normal profile which is very good. At the ultrasound a PVR of about 280-300mL could be measured ... mhhh ... I then applied my method and could void an additional 420mL. Doc measured again PVR which was happily at <20mL which confirmed basically what was previously just an impression. The method seems working. Looks like I unintentionally re-discovered what is known as the Credè's maneuver which can be used to void bladder. I intend to repeat it at least 2x/day in the hope to "re-educate" the bladder. I am also checking for a specific physiotherapy.

Hopefully things are going to improve even further.

Barring long terms complications, still possible, so far the (bipolar) TURP has been a success and based on my experience I could recommend it in similar conditions (mine was not obvious as pretty asymptomatic) provided the caveat of doctor experience and a previous pressure-flow and cystoscopy support to diagnostic.

Other actions are in the pipeline as checking PSA at 6 months, lower inflammation with nutrition intervention and supplementation, etc. Continuous monitoring (including PSA, I do not believe the absurdity of several recent panels recommending not to screen ! see also last May LEF Magazine) and not dropping guard are key. However, I feel equally important not being obsessed and living happily !!

I hope this helps.


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Glad to hear of your success.

Just curious--why did you select the Forum name that you have?
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DDye (5/3/2013)
Glad to hear of your success.

Just curious--why did you select the Forum name that you have?

Thank you DDye, I like curiosity! Wrt "albedo", I loved Vangelis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIuBK_vjofU
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