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 Posted 2/28/2012 7:31:12 AM
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Recent research indicates that teloremase activation increases the aggressivenss of prostate cancer in mice. In fact the researches postulated that chemotherapy may target natural ta. I would not take TAs under any conditions, even for free. Anecdotal test. mean little, factual research is everything. You can very easily improve the quality of your life with very safe, affordable supplementation. I would feel very sad and stupid if while taking TAs developed agressive prostate ca.
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Recent research indicates that teloremase activation increases the aggressivenss of prostate cancer in mice. In fact the researches postulated that chemotherapy may target natural ta. I would not take TAs under any conditions, even for free. Anecdotal test. mean little, factual research is everything. You can very easily improve the quality of your life with very safe, affordable supplementation. I would feel very sad and stupid if while taking TAs developed agressive prostate ca.



But in a study of 1,000 humans, telomere length was found to be inversely correlated with cancer:

Incidence rates of cancer in the longest, middle, and shortest TL tertiles were 5.9 (95% CI, 3.9-9.0), 16.9 (95% CI, 12.9-22.2), and 22.8 (95% CI, 17.8-29.2), respectively. Source

And so what if it made one cancer more aggressive if it cut the rate of all cancers by a factor of 4?


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Recent research indicates that teloremase activation increases the aggressivenss of prostate cancer in mice. In fact the researches postulated that chemotherapy may target natural ta. I would not take TAs under any conditions, even for free. Anecdotal test. mean little, factual research is everything. You can very easily improve the quality of your life with very safe, affordable supplementation. I would feel very sad and stupid if while taking TAs developed agressive prostate ca.


The research referred to above clearly indicates that telomerase activation increases the aggressiveness of prostate cancer in mice. The research had nothing to do with telomerase activation in humans. Mice do not age by Telomere shortening as do humans. Factual research in humans, not mice, is the only thing that will determine what happens in humans.

In the past a lot of factual research has been undertaken following observance of anecdotal findings. The research trials are setup to either prove or disprove what appears to be happening in the field.

The factual research in humans regarding the correlation between Telomere length and cancer incidence is reported in 'Fifteen-Year Follow-up of Association Between Telomere Length and Incident Cancer and Cancer Mortality'  and published in the JAMA . Incidence rates of cancer in the longest, middle, and shortest TL tertiles were 5.9 (95% CI, 3.9-9.0), 16.9 (95% CI, 12.9-22.2), and 22.8 (95% CI, 17.8-29.2), respectively.   Source 

In a recorded Podcast posted on 26th Feb 2012, Dr. Ed Park of Recharge Biomedical explains a new model of cancer based upon telomere erosion in stem cells. Actual cases of telomerase activation in cancer patients are discussed with Dr. Miki Shima. Dr Park states that of about 7,000 people who have been taking a Telomerase Activator he is only aware of 2 people who have been diagnosed with new cases of primary cancer.


The recorded podcast and the anecdotal results of cancer patients given a Telomerase Activator can be viewed by clicking here.


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I have been doing the vitamins and powders and all the rest since about 1980 and I say forget those and get the TA65. There is absolutely no comparison to it and all the rest sold today, with its age reversing effects over months and the worse shape your in probably the better. The capsules are fairly small and no real side effects seem to happen with it except some feel a little too tense or the blood pressure goes up some for a short period and then usually heads back for a more healthy level.
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I have been doing the vitamins and powders and all the rest since about 1980 and I say forget those and get the TA65. There is absolutely no comparison to it and all the rest sold today, with its age reversing effects over months and the worse shape your in probably the better. The capsules are fairly small and no real side effects seem to happen with it except some feel a little too tense or the blood pressure goes up some for a short period and then usually heads back for a more healthy level.



How do you know it's helping you?
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I have been doing the vitamins and powders and all the rest since about 1980 and I say forget those and get the TA65. There is absolutely no comparison to it and all the rest sold today, with its age reversing effects over months and the worse shape your in probably the better. The capsules are fairly small and no real side effects seem to happen with it except some feel a little too tense or the blood pressure goes up some for a short period and then usually heads back for a more healthy level.



How do you know it's helping you?




Changes to the way I move, balance, and energy both mentally and physically. Changes to nails, toenails, skin. pain above knees when climbing a ladder or squatting down went away. Seem to stand straighter and have more flexibility. It is slow to see the changes over weeks and months and I have been taking it for a total of about 7 months, but not 7 months in a row. I was 63 when I started and rated 160% disabled by the VA (100% COPD and 60% spinal damage from Ankylosing Spondylitis). My O2 readings on my finger oximeter seem to be climbing and pulse levels dropping.

I was in bad enough shape to know if it did anything I would be able to see it, and I have 3 decades of experiences with of many other substances. I did a video myself on much of my body and face the first day I started it (March 1 2011) so I could see the changes, if any over time, and to document any changes visually. Boy was I in bad shape then. Watched the videos in the last few nights. Yuck super yuck LOL I get a VA check up and blood work done every 6 months so I have those records.

In the first few months I seemed to see more clearly and went from a shuffling gait (didn't know I was shuffling till the change happened back) to a much wider more powerful steps and I noticed to make a quick turn, at a stand still, I was pivoting on my heels again naturally and without effort.

This is just a brief sketch of how I know.

My lungs/respiration still is bad but not as bad as it was it seems, and any repairs take time and it seems to be doing them every day cell by cell and thats throughout my body.
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I have been doing the vitamins and powders and all the rest since about 1980 and I say forget those and get the TA65. There is absolutely no comparison to it and all the rest sold today, with its age reversing effects over months and the worse shape your in probably the better. The capsules are fairly small and no real side effects seem to happen with it except some feel a little too tense or the blood pressure goes up some for a short period and then usually heads back for a more healthy level.



How do you know it's helping you?




Changes to the way I move, balance, and energy both mentally and physically. Changes to nails, toenails, skin. pain above knees when climbing a ladder or squatting down went away. Seem to stand straighter and have more flexibility. It is slow to see the changes over weeks and months and I have been taking it for a total of about 7 months, but not 7 months in a row. I was 63 when I started and rated 160% disabled by the VA (100% COPD and 60% spinal damage from Ankylosing Spondylitis). My O2 readings on my finger oximeter seem to be climbing and pulse levels dropping.

I was in bad enough shape to know if it did anything I would be able to see it, and I have 3 decades of experiences with of many other substances. I did a video myself on much of my body and face the first day I started it (March 1 2011) so I could see the changes, if any over time, and to document any changes visually. Boy was I in bad shape then. Watched the videos in the last few nights. Yuck super yuck LOL I get a VA check up and blood work done every 6 months so I have those records.

In the first few months I seemed to see more clearly and went from a shuffling gait (didn't know I was shuffling till the change happened back) to a much wider more powerful steps and I noticed to make a quick turn, at a stand still, I was pivoting on my heels again naturally and without effort.

This is just a brief sketch of how I know.

My lungs/respiration still is bad but not as bad as it was it seems, and any repairs take time and it seems to be doing them every day cell by cell and thats throughout my body.


Had you previously tried astragalus extract (which is a hundred times cheaper)? And are you taking PQQ?
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 Posted 3/17/2012 8:54:52 AM
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I have been doing the vitamins and powders and all the rest since about 1980 and I say forget those and get the TA65. There is absolutely no comparison to it and all the rest sold today, with its age reversing effects over months and the worse shape your in probably the better. The capsules are fairly small and no real side effects seem to happen with it except some feel a little too tense or the blood pressure goes up some for a short period and then usually heads back for a more healthy level.



How do you know it's helping you?




Changes to the way I move, balance, and energy both mentally and physically. Changes to nails, toenails, skin. pain above knees when climbing a ladder or squatting down went away. Seem to stand straighter and have more flexibility. It is slow to see the changes over weeks and months and I have been taking it for a total of about 7 months, but not 7 months in a row. I was 63 when I started and rated 160% disabled by the VA (100% COPD and 60% spinal damage from Ankylosing Spondylitis). My O2 readings on my finger oximeter seem to be climbing and pulse levels dropping.

I was in bad enough shape to know if it did anything I would be able to see it, and I have 3 decades of experiences with of many other substances. I did a video myself on much of my body and face the first day I started it (March 1 2011) so I could see the changes, if any over time, and to document any changes visually. Boy was I in bad shape then. Watched the videos in the last few nights. Yuck super yuck LOL I get a VA check up and blood work done every 6 months so I have those records.

In the first few months I seemed to see more clearly and went from a shuffling gait (didn't know I was shuffling till the change happened back) to a much wider more powerful steps and I noticed to make a quick turn, at a stand still, I was pivoting on my heels again naturally and without effort.

This is just a brief sketch of how I know.

My lungs/respiration still is bad but not as bad as it was it seems, and any repairs take time and it seems to be doing them every day cell by cell and thats throughout my body.


Had you previously tried astragalus extract (which is a hundred times cheaper)? And are you taking PQQ?


I tried PQQ along with TA65 both for the first time in March 2011, so would be hard to evaluate the PQQ for me since there is a major shift with the TA65 alone in energy. I did try some astragalus IV just prior to March, but it or the regular astragalus root is not the same as the chemical in TA65 though it is found in trace amounts in some species of astragalus. Now imagine having to consume many pounds of root just to get out that one chemical found in one capsule of TA 65 and you see why it is expensive. There is a reason it is expensive and it is not greed. It is just it is very rare and expensive to extract.

If you wanted a cheaper way to tryout TA65 here is what I would do, now that I am a little more familiar with it. I would buy the 2 bottles, which are to provide 1 pill a day for 6 months dosage, and instead take 2-3 pills but every other day. This will give you a 4-6 month trial period with it and you may find medicines or vitamins you have been buying may no longer be needed over those months saving on there costs.

I like DHEA but it gives me urinary problems it seems now and my hair seems to want to thin out with it. Now the one thing that still works for me I like is DMAE powder, which I sprinkle in my coke. If it gives you a headache or tense neck and shoulders you are doing a tad too much LOL It has a tangy taste. I have taken it all the time for 3 decades. Pills and capsules of it cost more than powder. I use to take Tyrosine for decades as well too but stopped when LEF stopped selling the powder which was easy to put in my coke too and had no taste plus cheaper.

I need to reorder some DMAE and some other things to experiment with on getting rid of senescent cells even faster than what TA65 does.
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If anyone is interested, I have an analysis of TA-65 that was done on Oct 19, 2010 by American Analytical Chemistry Lab Corp for TA-65 and the results for one (1) capsule were:

Astragaloside IV .27mg

Cycloastragenol 5.44 mg

It is reccomended to take 1 to 4 capsules per day (been on it for a year and I used to take 2/day and now take 1/day as it is so expensive).

I will be looking for a less expensive way to get the active ingredient cycloastragenol as the TA-65 cost and sales only through MD's (who have a healthy mark up) has gotten too much for me.

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Either your analysis is wrong or TA is ripping you off. Look at Terraternal's web and  Astragaloside IV is 40mg per dose at 60/month (98% pure) and Cycloastragenol is 10 mg per dose at 80-160/month(?). Anyway I wouldn't take any TA sups. Take sulforaphane, cheap and wonderful.
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