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 Posted 4/11/2014 10:05:02 AM
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So, the extract from Pueraria lobata is another ingredient to join to pseudocatalase and melitaneSmile
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 Posted 4/11/2014 2:16:09 PM
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Here's someone else selling melitane and they explain how it supposedly works. Be interesting to know what Bruno Bernard thinks of it, haven't heard from him in a while.

http://viplaserclinic-mauritius.com/reverse_grey_hair
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 Posted 4/12/2014 8:59:59 AM
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@Ladd: I have lots of hair and just wanted to make sure to check quite some hairs to see if I had responded. I'm just taking this experiment seriously. It has nothing to do with anxiety

@Troppo: way back in january you mentioned your sideburns had responded to the PC. You never mentioned starting melitane and now you're bashing both products.

@ all the others: let's not be negative. The melitane has published a paper ( in a very scientific magazine) with a before and after group. It's reputable research. As opposed to the pseudocatalase, we learned about the fact that a big group of people all responded to it. There was a control group with maidenhair. So at the moment I'd definitely think this research has the edge.

On the other hand: the PC theory is very strong too. But what I hate, is that even on this board there are claims like: it doesn't work for everyone. The internet is full of wonder products with a so called 90 percent success rate. If it works, then it should work for everyone because in the end most users will be part of that 10 percent group.

I have this gut feeling that leaving it on for 5 minutes is just not sufficient and on the other hand. The powder can be sold but what is the true penetrator for this product? I wouldnt let clients experiment. Many will only get dissappointed. It's not very expensive but it's also very time consuming.

The go away grey products also have those kinda claims. I've just finished three bottles with no results. I never expected to get results from it but I didn't wanna rule it out.

Apart from that: we are getting very close. We have good scientific papers and we're no longer wasting our time on myths ( and Bruno Bernard is one of the researchers I wouldnt trust, been in touch with him and he was arrogant)
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 Posted 4/12/2014 2:02:19 PM
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Why does it take so long to approve posts? I don't understand why after a certain amount of posts individuals are still required to go through approval? It ruins the experience of engaging in discussion via the web.

@EN8686 FWIW he said *some* do not respond at all and also said "Santa Claus" (I have a theory he is some sort of weird laboratory human mutant from an experiment gone wrong from the early tests done by Pseduocatalase) was a *great* responder.

@stefanovic It puts your hair follicles at risk of being damaged and you gain absolutely nothing. If you want to pull them out, fine.

I looked at troppo's posts and they all seem consistent. I don't see where he bashed melitane? A few months ago he said he purchased the sunless tan stuff. One thing he did mention was drinking a lot of green tea (mid January, not good). The inventor (can't remember her name) said people should not consume things like turmeric and green tea. Look what turmeric does!: http://www.bioline.org.br/showimage?dv/photo/dv06014f3.jpg

People are absolutely going to respond differently. Things like diet, skin color, sun exposure, hair length, stress, and overall health probably matter quite a bit. We're only getting feedback from how many people on this forum? 4-5 (including myself)? All but troppo have tried for less than 3.5 months (in the dead of winter).

Pseodocatalase made it abundantly clear this requires a TON of patience and never promised results.
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 Posted 4/13/2014 6:18:10 AM
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EN8686 (4/10/2014)
I find it ironic that the Pseudocatalse, the poster, claimed that most of his clients responded with the shampoo, yet no one on this board that has tried it has responded.
  
I think we need to draw a distinction between people responding, and hair repigmenting in two weeks. There is no evidence that anything will repigment hair in a short time frame. There is evidence that some products will repigment hair over a very long time course. Our best person shows noticeable, but mild, repigmentation in the first three months, and something like 50% repigmentation in 8-9 months. 
  
All we can guarantee is that our pseudocatalase products will disproportionate hydrogen peroxide, and that this leads to a slow repigmentation in some people. Most people in our experience. But it leads to no repigmentation in six weeks, and I apologize if I gave anyone a different impression of what to expect.
  
And I also want to comment that if you are trying anything to induce repigmentation, it needs to be several months at a bare mininum between assessments to determine if things are working or not. That means you get on a program, and stick to it, and do not introduce any uncontrolled factors, for that time period. 
  
And we sincerely wish everyone good luck in their attempts to repigment gray and white hair. 
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 Posted 4/13/2014 4:10:38 PM
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Ladd,

The reason it took so long last week was due to my vacation during which no one approved pending posts. Please accept our apology for this. The reason why the Forums now requires approval of every post, no matter how many have been submitted, was due to some posts from approved members going live that were inappropriate.

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I pulled 100 hairs just to see how it turned out. It's not noticable at all. I don't have any intentions to keep doing that, so could we please stop elaborating on that and just have a positive discussion on the progress of our experiments? Thanks

Troppo, a few months ago you mentioned your sideburns had some hairs growing in darker again. You can find it on page 92.

A sunless lotion containing melitane and a mix for hair darkening are different when it comes to penetration. The scientific report is very convincing. A group using melitane and another one using maidenhair ( control group)


@Pseudocatalase: I'm 12 weeks in with no results at all. My cortisol levels are normal again and it had no impact on re-pigmenting, so I guess the grey hair wasnt due to the cortisol.
The thing I don't like with the shampooing is the fact that you have to leave it on 5 minutes twice a day. I often come home late at night and we're not allowed to take showers that late. So it's really a hassle and also very time consuming. Wouldnt a lotion ( something like minoxidil = it's also suggested for melitane) be able to do the trick. I've also noticed that many people don't believe those 5 minutes could have full benefits.
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@stefanovic, sorry you are not responding, I wish it were the other way! The literature on pseudocatalase is very clear. It has 5 minutes of action. It will rid the skin layers of hydrogen peroxide in that time period. Leaving it on longer is unnecessary. That is the only relevant action of pseudocatalase. Even in our best responder (u can see pics at eBay), there was only a very mild response in the first three months.   
  
The trick is that the melanocyte precursors need to move to the hair follicles and differentiate into melanocyte stem cells. This is a very slow process. It is possible a gray hair follicle could repigment fairly rapidly, but a white follicle will need a new stem cell, and that just takes time. 
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Hey Pseudocatalase: so after 12 weeks you cannot really say that you're not responding. all the non pigmented hairs I have are really white.


To the person being interested in Morgan's pomade. I contacted the company and their reply was:
- With regards to new hair growth this will not grow out darker. Only the hair on the head that is directly applied with the pomade will gradually turn darker. We recommend less frequent hair washing in the early stages to quicken the darkening process. However, if you require to wash your hair more often after the first 3 weeks then this will fine but obviously the degree of darkening that you see may be reduced compared to if you wash your hair less frequently. The pomade is not a permanent way to darken hair like hair a dye, but achieves a gradual more natural looking darker appearance.

Personally I'd even prefer a dye to a product that washes off and colors your coat when it rains and your bathwater.

Regarding the melitane I noticed doctors claim the 5 percent is the way to go:   http://www.healthcaremagic.com/premiumquestions/Suggest-treatment-for-premature-graying-of-hair/90606
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Hey guys - hopefully this helps to answer some questions brought up since my most recent post:

I want to be clear I am not bashing any product pseudocatalase or melitane.  They just straight up didn't work for me and I was RELIGIOUS about applying at least 2x daily.  Melitane since January and religious about applying at least 1x day.  I'm still doing both cause I can't break the habit but just frustrated.  I even use the UVB light daily!  Also I should specify my main focus was my beard and sideburns so I used the lotion.  I would exfoliate daily prior to applying lotion on my face and sideburns and sides of head.  In ADDITION, I used the pseudo shampoo on my beard and head 3-4x a week...I even derma rolled the pseudocatalase from time to time.

I have honestly tried everything and just super frustrated.  I did think things were changing in December but no idea what happened cause now my sideburns and beard are noticeably whiter (approaching 50%).  .

Also - I am 50% italian and 50% german (I look Italian) - dark hair/blue eyes.  I tan pretty well however, I do have some moles and freckles on arms and shoulders.Another interesting fact is I have recently discovered idiopathic guttate on my legs and shoulders (absence of melanin in the skin similar to vitiligo) so I definitely have a melanin/melanocyte issue..  With my dark hair/eyebrows, etc... I NEVER dreamed of having 40ish% gray hair at 38 y/o!  But hey, it could be worse I guess...

Guys I believe in the science behind pseudocatalase and I TRULY hope it works for someone here or something else is discovered.  If it can reverse gray I would be willing to pay thousands of dollars, but unfortunately there is nothing.  
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