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 Posted 1/8/2014 1:02:58 AM
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@Ladd, the blond vs brown may be a summer/winter issue (UVB exposure). Honestly, I don't think it is an application issue. The results with hair (outside of vitiligo) are fairly undescribed, still, and everything we know about re-pigmenting white hairs says it is a very slow process. Schallreuter used to beg and plead her vitiligo patients at the 6-7 month period to continue treatment b/c they were just getting going! In many cases they reached full pigmentation, but never in a 6 month time frame. I think the real question you need to ask, if you are interested, is: If you see some just noticeable change at 3-4 months and get some indication it has some effect, are you willing to continue application to reach the time frames necessary for full response? If you see something like 5% return of pigment in 3 months, and then it is 10-15% at 7 months, do you somehow lose hope it will be 20-25% at 10 months? 


Biologically, the slow part of the process is not the impact of pseudocatalase, it is the return of melanocytes. Don't forget - the melanocytes are completed depleted in the hair follicle of a white hair, and the new melanocyte stem cell has to migrate there from nearby tissue. It is not like flipping a switch. 
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 Posted 1/8/2014 5:42:22 AM
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@pseudocatalase - I'm not seeing any conclusive evidence in the photos you posted, but I am aware that pictures can be deceiving.

I recall you mentioning a colleague that had quite a bit of re-pigmentation in his whiskers, and another whom had hair that was snow white. Would you have any before/after photos of these individuals? It may be easier for the many untrained eyes to see a difference if you do.
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 Posted 1/8/2014 12:43:18 PM
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Good news!  I found a few hairs in my sideburns that are white at the top and darkish at the bottom so perhaps something is working.  I am also noticing extremely dark hairs (sporadic) on my arms and chest
I think the Fo Ti is responsible for this in conjunction with the pseudocatalase

@fastingly - thanks for the input on the copper intake - I'll try dialing it back via supplementation and just stick to getting it from pate/nuts, etc...

@romi - I have been using pseudocatalase's product and plan on continuing to use for a few more months at least.  I appreciate his transparent nature about what he is selling and am not about to give up yet!

Almost forgot I also use inversion table daily and am considering MT2
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 Posted 1/8/2014 2:01:55 PM
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@Pseudocatalase

Your're obviously incredibly knowledgeable when it comes to pigmentation, pseudocatalase and vitiligo (probably more so than anyone else on this forum). You bring a lot to the table and I have learned quite a bit from you.

I must however disagree with you on the efficiency of application via shampoo.

If you put lotion on your arm in the shower the majority would never actually absorb into the skin. It would mostly stick around on the surface and eventually be washed away. The head, in comparison to a wet arm, is an even more volatile environment because the hair traps water like a sponge.

Hypothetically let's say my entire stomach (a surface area with similar size to the human head) is affected by vitiligo. It takes maybe 2-3 quarter sized (maybe a couple bucks worth during the holiday) drops of lotion to cover the entire area. If I take 1 quarter sized drop, lightly lather it, and the spread it across my wet stomach I can cover the entire area with ease. We agree (although unarguable) that patience AND consistency ARE more important than anything else. With that being said, how would the second scenario, one that randomly dilutes the product AND creates a sporadic/chaotic (wet) environment, not bottleneck the effectiveness and thus significantly effect results? There would be no difference in results between the first and second scenario?
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 Posted 1/8/2014 5:22:32 PM
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Has anyone had any luck finding a way to buy Melitane?  I'm having trouble find a source.  

If you don't recall, Melitane was studied specifically for its re-pigmentation with gray hair unlike pseudocatalase and was proven to be affective for re-pigmenting gray hairs.  I posted a link to a pdf several weeks ago about the results that are in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

Any help would be much appreciated.
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 Posted 1/9/2014 1:30:39 AM
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@troppo: you think the fo-ti is responsible. When did you start using it? I'd have a problem using many supps not knowing what exactly worked. Imagine you start using pseudocatalase in conjunction with many other supps, in the end you will never know what exactly makes the difference.
When I read this kinda post, I think: maybe I should add fo-ti as well but on the other hand I want to know what to pseudocatalase does for me and not starting to guess: maybe it's this, or that? and losing so much money on supplements that won't contribute to it.
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 Posted 1/9/2014 6:39:43 AM
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@Ace_Road, I've been trying for the last few weeks to get a hold of melitane but so far have been unable to find a reliable seller. It's currently being prescribed in India. Too bad there's an apparent lack of interest because as you said there are actually studies that confirm some usefulness. If anyone has had any luck (or not) with it please post and let us know. 
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 Posted 1/9/2014 7:34:00 AM
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@stefanovic - I agree there are a lot of variables.  Even when just using pseudocatalase there are a tremendous number of variables such as:
-did my diet change
-exercise change
-stress levels
-exposure to harmful chemicals 
-list goes on and on

I agree I have added to the already countless number of variables; however, I believe fo-ti has something to do with at least the extremely dark hairs I am seeing because they are appearing in areas that I have not treated with pseudocatalase (arms, chest, etc..).  I also had a friend (bald) that had all his white chest hair repigment after 6 months of use and the resulting hair was extremely dark (similar to my findings).  I am not ruling out it could possibly be some other supplement or item in my diet but fo-ti seems like the most obvious possibility.  I still believe in pseudocatalase and I will continue to use pseudocatalase.

@DanRo - I found a distributor of melitane in the US but requires the minimum purchase of 1kg.  Perhaps pseudocatalse could put together a melitane formulation for us via a group buy?? 
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 Posted 1/9/2014 8:07:01 AM
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@troppo, I just contacted a distributor out of California for information regarding samples of melitane. The chemical name is Acetyl Hexapeptide-1 and has been around for several years. There's also suppliers out of China but it too is only for sale in bulk.

What we need is someone who sells it similar to matrixyl 3000 where you can purchase the pure 100% product then make your own cream or lotion. Personalformulator.com has that for $40 per ounce plus they sell the cream that you can mix it with. It's far cheaper and more reliable that way than purchasing pre-mixed creams where you don't know what's in it.
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@troppo  after how much time did you notice the foti did something? Do you also see results where you're using the pseudocatalase?
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