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 Posted 12/16/2013 12:40:33 PM
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So far I've tried contacting three pharmacies in India requesting info on Altris gel but all I've gotten back in email is some link to an Indian market site. AllDayChemist is pretty reliable, I've ordered from them in the past but they don't carry it yet. If anyone has better luck please post about it, I want to try this since it has some actual studies behind it.  
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@Troppo - You mention dermarolling. I know this is some sort of device, and it is commonly used by balding people looking for relief.

You mention that it would aid in applying pseudo-catalase, and you've gained my interest. I have had a little success with pseudo-catalase. As I mentioned before, I've seen pigmentation at the roots of some hair follicles. There are a few more that I've noticed since I originally posted.  Easy for me to tell because they stick out like a sore thumb (all gray in these areas).

Where I've noticed this pigmentation is at the hairline above the forehead. I've been applying once per day, and am not getting much UV rays. I've also seen a few in other sporadic places, but the hairline seems to have the most in one area. Been applying to facial hair as well, but cannot see any changes. If some of these facial follicles pigmented in proportion to the hairline above my forehead, there would be no way of telling, for I have way too many dark hairs there already.

I think the product is more effective on the hairline because it is getting a direct application. The product is getting absorbed by my hair before it makes it to the scalp in other parts. That is what brings me back to a dermaroller.  How does it work? Would it help me get the product right to my scalp without being absorbed into the hair?  What is an appoximate cost of a dermaroller? I have no intention of shaving my head. 

I remember somebody asked if a topical product would be more effective on a shaved head. I would think it would be most effective on hair that is about 1/4" long.  The follicle itself would not absorb all the product. 






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 Posted 12/16/2013 2:39:43 PM
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@wisdom1st

You said previously that a small percent of your hair changed color (a small percent of 1% I believe you said). For clarity, 1% of your hair is gray?

Have you noticed any change of color with the hair that isn't gray?

@stefanovic

I emphasize with you. Getting gray before middle age is an uncomfortable experience.

If you don't have a nutrition deficiency or skin disorder then your graying is mostly caused by a build up of H202 within the hair follicles. The H202 bleaches the hair AND wreaks havoc on the hair coloring process. The build up is natural and caused by lifestyle, aging, and/or genetics (at what age did your mom and dad get gray hair?) Pseudocatalase will remove the H202. Ultimately the graying process should stop and even reverse.

It should be noted that pseudocatalase is not a magical cure (reversing color is a slow process) and no one knows if it can reverse hair 100% (not used long enough). However, based on science alone (and some testimonials) you should see some sort of gradual improvement. Eating right, sleeping, managing stress, excising, and not smoking will also help (doing the opposite of those things increases inflammation and cortisol which also interfere with the hair color process).

Also, at the very least you could try some sort of dye if it's hurting your confidence or self image.

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 Posted 12/16/2013 2:54:23 PM
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You mention that it would aid in applying pseudo-catalase, and you've gained my interest. I have had a little success with pseudo-catalase. As I mentioned before, I've seen pigmentation at the roots of some hair follicles. There are a few more that I've noticed since I originally posted.  Easy for me to tell because they stick out like a sore thumb (all gray in these areas).

Where I've noticed this pigmentation is at the hairline above the forehead. I've been applying once per day, and am not getting much UV rays. I've also seen a few in other sporadic places, but the hairline seems to have the most in one area. Been applying to facial hair as well, but cannot see any changes. If some of these facial follicles pigmented in proportion to the hairline above my forehead, there would be no way of telling, for I have way too many dark hairs there already.

I think the product is more effective on the hairline because it is getting a direct application. The product is getting absorbed by my hair before it makes it to the scalp in other parts. That is what brings me back to a dermaroller.  How does it work? Would it help me get the product right to my scalp without being absorbed into the hair?  What is an appoximate cost of a dermaroller? I have no intention of shaving my head. 

I remember somebody asked if a topical product would be more effective on a shaved head. I would think it would be most effective on hair that is about 1/4" long.  The follicle itself would not absorb all the product. 


You bring up some great points which are definitely overlooked.

Shaved hair without question has two advantages. Direct UV rays to the scalp and a much easier path for the product to reach the scalp.

How long is your hair?
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@Ladd, what science is there that the current homemade pseudocatalase is effective at reversing the graying process? To date I haven't seen any studies in peer-reviewed journals that prove what is being sold today at Amazon or eBay will do anything. The sellers at Amazon keep taking their product down so as to remove the negative reviews then they start over with new positive reviews by posters that have only one praising the seller's product. Amazon won't do much because they get their cut and prefer to keep it coming in. I've wasted too much money in the past on things (not just for health) that do nothing but take your money. Maybe the previous poster pseudocatalase has got something that works and I hope he comes back but real before and after pictures would be a good start toward building confidence in whatever product is being sold.  
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 Posted 12/16/2013 4:50:20 PM
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@DanRo

The product/formula forum member "Pseudocatalase" is selling has over a decade of research behind it for the treatment of vitiligo. It has been proven to remove H202 buildup in the skin. Has it been proven to be a valid treatment for gray hair? No, but if you combine what we know about pseudocatalase and what we know about the cause of gray hair (via the link I posted), it's a very valid hypothesis with a very high probability of being at least minimally effective. Keep in mind that all of this stuff is fairly new. H202 and the gray hair connection was discovered in 2009. Gray hair with pseudocatalase treatment was suggested in June or July of this year. A lot of variables are unknown or fully understood.

You're probably referring to depo-melanin. I personally have not bought their product and I would not recommend doing so.

Pseudocatalase has always been VERY clear that what he's selling is not some miracle cure.
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@pseudocatalase - thought you might be interested to know there has been some very recent activity on Clinuvel's patent application for cuv9900 (their latest top secret topical)

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20130331331
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@Ladd - After a haircut, my hair is about 2" long on the top and about an inch on the sides and back. The pigmentation is a fraction of 1% of all the gray hair. As I mentioned, the product seemed to be most effective at the hairline above the forehead. In that area I guesstimate re-pigmentation at about 1% give or take. I am really trying to concentrate on the sides where there is quite a few grays as well, but I cannot confirm anything positive there. It is easy for me to check in that area. I have too much dark hair in the back and would not even come close to being able to determine there, considering the results I've seen in other areas. I have spotted a few dark hairs on top in areas that were fully gray. It's difficult to check the top because of the length, and I have to nod my head, and then look up into the mirror.  So there could be more than what I've spotted.

When you plant grass seed, at some point you will see a few blades of grass. That is where I hope I'm at. If you look the next day, you really don't see anything new. You continue to apply water, and then one day you walk out there, and you see a lot of green. That's what I hope will happen. At this point, I'm not totally optimistic because of how slow moving it's been. But I will continue to apply in hopes of a lot more pigmentation. 

Does the product work? Back to the grass analogy. If you dropped a bunch of grass seed in a 10sq foot area, and properly tended to it, and when it was all said and done, there was 100 blades of grass. Would you say it worked? You probably didn't get the results you thought you would. With that said, I have not had satisfactory results as of yet. Again, only time will tell.


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@wisdom1st Right. I thought about your original observation "I think the product is more effective on the hairline because it is getting a direct application. The product is getting absorbed by my hair before it makes it to the scalp in other parts." quite a bit.

1) How much of pseudocatalase is actually getting to the scalp? When you factor in hair "obstruction" and water runoff/wet skin how much effectiveness is lost? For example, let's say the 100% efficiency bench mark is applying lotion to a dry arm with the purpose of treating vitiligo. What if using shampoo, in the shower, with an average amount of hair significantly lowers the efficiency? The difference in effectiveness could be substantial.

2) UV rays won't hit the scalp after a certain length of hair (it depends if your hair grows curly, straight and out, or straight and flat). Regardless, it doesn't take much to block the sun out. Melanocyte activity MUST be stimulated.

The effectiveness on shaved facial hair (via lotion) in combination with sun exposure would be very telling.
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Thanks for all the nice comments.


where do you order pseudocatalase? How do you use it and how much does it cost?

Has anyone used products like grayban?

In the Netherlands they sell a new product named bionnex:

Maybe some experts here can check out the ingredients:

http://www.bionnex.net/
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