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 Posted 9/11/2013 4:42:57
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DDye (9/11/2013)
To Señorgringo,

Would you please direct us to the negative data concerning EDTA that you came across?

To Jcoireangus,

Derma-rollers are painful!

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This explains the delay, thanks for asking. Here's the page:

http://www.bubbleandbee.com/topfivechemicals.html

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3. Tetrasodium EDTA is a preservative that’s made from the known carcinogen, formaldehyde and sodium cyanide. (see how) It is also a penetration enhancer, meaning it breaks down the skin's protective barrier, going right into your bloodstream. Many companies trying to be "natural" will use Tetrasodium EDTA instead of parabens to preserve their products. In my opinion, Tetrasodium EDTA is just as bad.
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 Posted 9/11/2013 5:41:30
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Mood is nothing but swing. When one of our experimenters comes up with negative feelings, he is followed by his likes who think the same. Let another one break in with some slight optimism and a couple of guys follow suit. We're three months into that thing and have only one certainty: the claim (i.e restoring pigmentation within 12 weeks) is false. So, the only hope is... time, which might be the only thing that Viaguard sells. I don't know. After all I'd rather see that product work. BTW, I took a look at amazon. The shipment is simply discouraging (around 70 bucks). I Wonder where all of you guys who live in Europe got the stuff from.  Is there a reasonable deal.
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 Posted 9/11/2013 12:30:24 PM
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Mood is nothing but swing. When one of our experimenters comes up with negative feelings, he is followed by his likes who think the same. Let another one break in with some slight optimism and a couple of guys follow suit. We're three months into that thing and have only one certainty: the claim (i.e restoring pigmentation within 12 weeks) is false. So, the only hope is... time, which might be the only thing that Viaguard sells. I don't know. After all I'd rather see that product work. BTW, I took a look at amazon. The shipment is simply discouraging (around 70 bucks). I Wonder where all of you guys who live in Europe got the stuff from.  Is there a reasonable deal.


Oh - and you don't even know the least of it. I live in Spain which is notorious about being anal regarding shipments into the country. Not unusual to have a package returned or to be slapped with an import fee that's almost as high as the price of the entire contents of the package. I shipped the package to Spain TWICE and had it returned by customs via both UPS and FedEx. Then I found a place in Britain which I shipped it to and they shipped it to me in Spain (once inside the EU it's easy). All in all I paid over $200 in shipping cost for several bottles of the snake oil ;0)
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 Posted 9/11/2013 1:40:19 PM
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The optimism derives from the fact that there is science in support of a product something like depo- melanin. So I'm willing to give it a shot. A couple months inverstment is fine with me. But if it takes years for this product to work... my review won't be favorable. I'll wait for a daily shampoo. 

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 Posted 9/11/2013 3:38:13 PM
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Senorgringo

Accumetrics (=Viaguard) boasts a $12 fee for shipment outside North America. That would be a total of $39 for one bottle. Is this the deal that got your parcel snubbed at the spanish custom office? amazon US ask for $95 (=71 euros) and Amazon UK 106.5 euros. So, which would be the safest/cheapest (and it's not Spain for me but France)

(The right answer might be: don't let me waste my money)
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 Posted 9/12/2013 12:36:59
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Señorgringo, I guess that buying a large amount of it drew the attention of some clerk in the Customs (they are specially thorough charging whatever is chargable because of the crisis). I also live here and confused by the huge differences when it comes to pay I've eventually bought a couple of them through ebay.ca twice and nobody seemed to become aware of it, or maybe the amount didn't rise suspicions, I don't know, but this is my account statement every time: 
Pago PAYPAL *ACCUMETRICS (long serial number here) GB  -50,38 (charged in Euros)


By the way, 13 weeks and no change at all and I've found a couple of sellers offering the ingredients separately to be mixed at home:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10g-Pseudocatalase-PC-KUS-Recently-Reported-to-Treat-Vitiligo-Gray-Hair-/171056895170?fromMakeTrack=true#ht_3275wt_1172

and after reading this: "Any pseudocatalase that is "pre-blended" in a powder, or worse a cream or lotion, will begin to degrade once it is manufactured, and before you even receive the product. This is clearly described in the original peer reviewed published research"

I wonder if I've been using an inert product all along...  
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 Posted 9/12/2013 3:55:34
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Welcome to the Forums, Toni.

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Some hope for our testers here. In the link given by Tonifromafar, they say that no change can be observed within 4 months. 4 months are 17 weeks. So, that's some reprieve for success. We can imagine that for commercial reasons, Viaguard chopped this time by a month off, claiming 12 weeks, but knowing (hoping) otherwise. After all, 3 months (a trimester) may be sopme kind of tipping point in potential customers'minds.

Hey, Jcoire, even I now make for more wishful thinking...

PS: Tonifromafar, does this link of yours show in Spain? I can only view it as cache. "Forbidden in your country blablabla..." is what I get when I click straight on the link.
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 Posted 9/12/2013 11:57:22 PM
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Tonifromafar you maybe correct

http://fightingvitiligo.com/The%20Cream

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"There is one drawback with this cream and that is, its not very stable and apparently starts to decompose after a while.  For myself, I make a fresh 10 gram cream every few days to make sure that the cream is at its peak performance."
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 Posted 9/13/2013 11:35:36 PM
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D Dye, thank you.

Brm, the link works for me but I'm an Opera browser user and I'm experiencing problems regarding compatibility with this site. Just in case, try writing "pc kus" in the ebay.com search bar and you should get two results to buy the not blended powder.

Slider, theres a second seller manufacturing this powder and who's based in Canada: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pseudocatalase-PC-KUS-for-Vitiligo-and-Gray-Hair-10-g-Buy-2-and-get-free-/130977481705?pt=US_Skin_Care&hash=item1e7eddc3e9 

This one happens to speak kindly of Depo-melanin, no wonder since our popular liquied is among his items for sale... It is not about the price, I just hate to think that I may have been wasting so much time.  
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