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 Posted 5/8/2013 3:24:08 PM
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Yeah, I saw that too.

Where can I get manganese chloride and calcium chloride?
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Hmmm...

"One Gray Hair

July 17, 2003

Did you know that having just one gray hair before the age of 30 can mean you and you family members have an increased risk for developing thyroid dysfunction?

Thyroid Dysfunction and Prematurely Gray Hair

It has been common medical knowledge for years that individuals who gray prematurely (one gray hair before age 30) are at increased risk for thyroid dysfunction. This means that the genes for thyroid dysfunction tend to be found on the side of the family where relatives have been prematurely gray . . . "

Reference:  http://www.allthyroid.org/news/archive/one_gray_hair.html



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Have you tried asking the fightingvitiligo blogger where you get those ingredients?   S/he might point you in the right direction.
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The basic reflex is to turn to your local pharmacist. He should either be able to make the compound or ask his usual lab to do it.

The problem is the vehicle: EDTA is not regarded as completely benign, including by topical route. I just wonder why old alcohol (ethanol) and his team mate propylen glycol couldn't do the job.
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The basic reflex is to turn to your local pharmacist. He should either be able to make the compound or ask his usual lab to do it.

The problem is the vehicle: EDTA is not regarded as completely benign, including by topical route. I just wonder why old alcohol (ethanol) and his team mate propylen glycol couldn't do the job.


I don't think you can go to a local pharmacist and order manganese II chloride.  I found a place on the internet to place an order -  a company name, how the product will be used, and several other questions  need to be answered before the order will be released.  This place is located in Milwaukee WI.  I do not think I will get the product.

Neribas is one of the ingredients, for it is a cream with EDTA.  This product is hard to find on the internet because it is German, and everything is in German on the internet.  I am perceiving  from the formula that the EDTA has some significance, but the concentration may not be a huge factor.  There is a Cetaphil creme containing EDTA that very well may be as effective.  I've used a Cetaphil lotion for dry skin, and it is almost odorless, so I'm thinking there is not a lot of unnecessary ingredients put into it.  I think it would be a good subsitute for Neribas.  The calcium chloride and the sodium bicarbonate are relatively easy to get.  You can get an electronic balance for about $15.00 on the internet.

I want to point out one other issue.  Pseudo-Catalase has been replicated by Northwestern University, as well as a drug maker in Pennsylvania.  Northwestern University put a trade name called P-Cat on their product.  According to the makers of PC-KUS, these replicas are ineffective at reducing the hydrogen peroxide levels, for the makers of PC-KUS have tested these replicated products.  Somewhere in the aricles all over the internet, "modifed" pseudo catalase is mentioned.  Maybe the product has changed since its original patent back in 1995.  Maybe the formula we are seeing is incomplete.  


I do believe that this PC-KUS is the answer, and will work to reverse gray hair on at least some people, if not the majority.   If the link we seen above is the "MODIFIED" formula, then it's worth a try.  The Manganese II Chloride will be the difficult ingredient to attain.  Probably would not need a UVB light, for exposure to the sun would be fine.  Has anybody obtained all of the ingredients, and have they already started a process?  I would suggest just trying on part of the scalp, or even facial hair.  
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http://fightingvitiligo.com/?q=Introduction

The makers of PC- KUS claim they've tested replicated products from NW University (P-CAT), and a drug maker out of Pennsylvania.  They concluded that both products were similar to one another, but neither was effective at breaking down hydrogen peroxide into water and carbon.  The also said the shelf life was short, whereas PC-KUS shelf life is 12 months. They claim PC-KUS breaks down the H2O2 within 5 minutes of application.  Psuedo-Catalase was patented back in 1995, and the name seems to be generic.  If you read in many of the articles published recently, the makers of PC-KUS mention the word "modified" PC-KUS.  Maybe the link I posted above is for an old formula that was not very effective.  I cannot get the manganes II chloride, otherwise I would try to make it.  I would test it out on a small section of my scalp.  If anyone has access to get these ingredients, and are confident that they can make the product to scale, please do so and post your results.
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In reply to some of the above posts, here is the formula to make your own pseudocatalase cream:

http://fightingvitiligo.com/?q=The%20Cream

That website has a 'comments' page where info on where to buy the ingredients can be found. There is a link to a German website there, but the site is not in English. When I have more time I will go through the site and use a translator to try and find the ingredients on there. Will post back here when I have it worked out. 

http://fightingvitiligo.com/?q=Comments

Also, here is a link to a UVB lamp. Kinda expensive but not necessary if you go in the sun to activate the cream:

http://www.vitiligoguide.com/dermalight-80-reviews/

I'm hoping that since they have had such promising results with vitiligo and since this is a topical treatment, they might come up with a commercial product sooner rather than later. 
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