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 Posted 1/20/2014 4:21:28 PM
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Dear DDye:  Please try research studies to email me your recommendations of L.E.F. products only, based upon inability of Vitasearch online or P.D.R. online studies don't reveal testosterone use to increase muscle mass. Except COQ10 prevents muscle loss but nothing about its clinical use for increasing muscle mass.  ( IVE TRIED 50 or 100 herbs with ornithine lysine taurine sarsparilla yucca cayenne protein-shakes creatin arginine tyrosine keto dhea astragalus d-ribose saint-johns-wort  caprylic-acid essential-oils  glutathyone ......all the latest  L.E.F. tri-sugar lipo-control products, never any of the above has increased my mass index. I'm 6'2" 130 lbs. 71 years old vegan for 40 years and desperately am seeking your personal L.E.F. cohort studied products and esp. your online advice answering my question regarding muscle mass.   Sincerely, michael@grrshingorchov.org

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 Posted 1/20/2014 7:03:14 PM
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Welcome to the Forums,

Life Extension's list of suggestions for exercise enhancement can be viewed at http://www.lef.org/protocols/lifestyle_longevity/exercise_les.htm although if you are a vegan, you won't want to use whey. The branched chain amino acids, particularly leucine, are helpful to build muscle in conjunction with workouts.  Are you getting enough protein?  If you are working out, you should consume more than what is necessary for general health. 

You should also have your hormone levels tested.

You might find this site of interst http://www.veganbodybuilding.org/home.htm


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I was at my local health store yesterday and noticed that they no longer carry bottles of 50 mg. strength DHEA and the clerk there said as a matter of policy that they would no longer carry be carrying anything higher than a 25 mg. dose, but of even more interest was that now they now have some brands of low-strength DHEA. 10 mg., 5 mg., and even a tiny 2.5 mg. dose.

Now, I thought I was already on a fairly low, low-dose regimen of 6.25 mg./ day. . . my curiosity piqued, I proceeded online to see more about this and came across DHEA expert Ray Sahelian, M.D. s blog where he states "DO NOT EXCEED more than 5 mg a day on a long term basis." with lots of warnings.

Now, I know that LEF critically emphasizes the need for blood testing alongside any DHEA supplementation, but the low numbers and advice there kind of blew me away.  Any thoughts or criticisms of this trend of new, low dosing of DHEA ?




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Haven't heard of anything recently that would have resulted in this other than the antidoping hysteria in the sports world. Or, perhaps it is renewed concern regarding those who shouldn't use it, which includes those with hormone-dependent cancers.  Young people usually make a lot of their own DHEA, which can sometimes metabolize to DHT, depending upon the individual, and cause acne. Yes, it is a hormone, and should not be used indiscriminately and without blood tests.

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Still DHEA is an area of interest and concern to me. I am heading for new tests in summer and will see if DHEA-S decresed even more despite increasing exercise and reducing stress at work as per the study I point at above. Yes, as DDye says, it is an hormone and you should not supplement without testing.  Even if very low (at 58) I have found probably DHEA supplementation not necessary as long as testosterone and E2 are OK. I am stil studying all this and being careful with my prostate condition. I might be reconsdering all again after my next works this summer.

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