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 Posted 8/17/2014 4:33:02 AM
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From the studies I've read MCHA is superior form.

Jarrows Bone Up is a good product.

"WHAT DOES BONE-UP DO?

 Bone-Up® provides StimuCal™ ossein MydroxyApatite (MCHA) (from free-range New Zealand calves), which includes the superior combination of the inorganic calcium lattice of MCHA within an organic protein milieu. StimuCal™  is rich in native type I collagen—the predominantprotein found in bone—and has been clinically demonstrated not to disproportionately spike calcium blood levels as do other forms of calcium, such as the carbonate and citrate salt forms. StimuCal™ is combined with vitamin D3 and vitamin K2 (as MK-7 from natural fermentation [a more bioavailable form of vitamin K]) to support the proper deposition of calcium  and maintain the integrity of calcium as part of the bone matrix, thereby supporting cardiovascular and arterial health.* Potassium citrate, a systemic  alkalizer, is also added for optimal osteo support.*"  - Jarrow.com (accessed 8/17/2014).

-Tom

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 Posted 8/17/2014 7:16:32 AM
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Birage, I think the study, and a quick look at Pubmed shows this is not the first one, gives at least partially the milk details you are looking for (e.g. under dietary assessment). As far as I am concerned and while agreeing on balance of course, I tend to rely on prostate cancer survivors and advise of experts who invariably set to reduce dairy and animal fats in their diet to reduce that particular risk.  So for me cutting on dairy is necessary also because I have additional risks factors. Moreover and in general I should strive to reduce the source of risk as much as I can instead to rely on protective nutrients and supplements where there is also some controversy. Finally, also let's not forget that some nutrient protection might be nullified (e.g. in the paper, regarding vitamin D, the authors write  "... skim/low-fat milk is the major source of dairy calcium and higher intake might lower intra-cellular 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol concentrations and induce prostate carcinogenesis (8,34–36)..." when trying to explain the association mechanism).
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Vitamin K is necessary for coagulation. Some blood thinners are vitamin K antagonists, hence, vitamin K is not recommended.

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Albedo, I definitely understand your point of view.  I, too, would want to limit/remove risk factors if I had a specific condition.  My rant was pretty much based on someone in general good health with no specific conditions.  There are negative studies of some sort on just about any type of food that would disuade people from eating those foods if they took those studies to heart.  However, some foods 'have' to be avoided if they agravate a condition, or illness.  I live in Amish country where the farmers live a ripe old age with no prostate problems, they eat raw milk dairy, etc.  If milk 'caused' prostate problems, milk would have not been a food staple for centuries.  We need to look at our 'toxic' modern world and find out why things that were healthy for millenia are now the kiss of death....what changed?  In my opinion, and this is where I agree with Weston Price, the food, in this case the milk changed (at least commercially!)
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albedo (8/15/2014)
I totally agree with Birage for Magnesium but men need to watch possible impact on the prostate. Use also Vitamin K to send calcium to the right place. Here just another study bad on milk for the prostate:

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/143/2/189.abstract


That's a recent study too. So far it's been kind of mixed with some studies claiming milk has no detrimental effect on the prostate. I'm still drinking at least 1 to 1 and half gallons a week of it, low fat only. But it's an excellent source of protein, especially when exercising so that's why I'm in no hurry to give it up. If this study is right though guess that makes me a candidate for low grade, nonaggressive cancer.
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Some groups eschew milk because we lose the ability to digest it with age.   Personally, growing up I drank milk daily with breakfast cereal.   Then abruptly at age 18 I lost the ability to digest it.   I drank half a quart one day and the noises coming from the bathroom later that day drove everyone out of the house.  I use almond or coconut milk now. 

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Birage (8/15/2014)
Some say we are the only species on the planet that consume milk as adults and should not, then like the Weston Price Foundation they show empirical evidence that cultures that consume raw milk are in extreme good health.


That's probably because we're the only species with easy access to it. I had a picky old cat once who wasn't happier with a big bowl of milk. Same with dogs. I don't think mammals ever lose the taste for it. It's unlikely I ever will.  
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Milk is a very balanced source of nutrition. Drink up!
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