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 Posted 5/27/2014 11:34:33 AM
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Hi, Oscar. I partially addressed this above. In the absence of current cancer therapy, oxidative stress in tumor cells is a two-edged sword, therefore a very complicated matter to resolve.

On one hand, it contributes to the normal pathway to apoptosis, and therefore antioxidants may rescue cancer cells from death. Cancer cells have innately high levels of oxidative stress, and in fact immune cells also rely on it when attacking foreign cells.

On the other hand, oxidative stress is harmful to normal healthy tissue and can contribute to cancer progression. It leads to a faster rate of genetic mutation in tumor cells, and I speculate that it contributes to epigenetic adaptations as well.

So what to do? In then end, I think we have to rely on experimental evidence rather than theorizing. And there doesn't appear to be any evidence that BHT is beneficial against cancer. There is a LOT of evidence for many other alternative treatments, so I don't see why we have to keep coming back to BHT.
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Salvia Dali (5/27/2014)
Hi, Oscar. I partially addressed this above. In the absence of current cancer therapy, oxidative stress in tumor cells is a two-edged sword, therefore a very complicated matter to resolve.

On one hand, it contributes to the normal pathway to apoptosis, and therefore antioxidants may rescue cancer cells from death. Cancer cells have innately high levels of oxidative stress, and in fact immune cells also rely on it when attacking foreign cells.

On the other hand, oxidative stress is harmful to normal healthy tissue and can contribute to cancer progression. It leads to a faster rate of genetic mutation in tumor cells, and I speculate that it contributes to epigenetic adaptations as well.

So what to do? In then end, I think we have to rely on experimental evidence rather than theorizing. And there doesn't appear to be any evidence that BHT is beneficial against cancer. There is a LOT of evidence for many other alternative treatments, so I don't see why we have to keep coming back to BHT.



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Hello Dali, Well, I will some up my pro BHT argument with this observation: The conventional chemotherapy for the treatment of cancer has failed to produce the desired results. My approach with the use of BHT as possibly a last resort treatment for the OP is that these treatments have failed. BHT is the most potent antioxidant available. Instead of trying to destroy cancer cells by way of using toxic compounds [ chemo threrapy drugs ] it seems to me worth a try to try and enhance the bodie`s ability to destroy cancer cells as opposed to trying to kill said cancer cells with toxic chemotherapy compounds which has NOT worked. Did you read S. from Sacramento`s statement or not ?
    The OP should know in a very short time if the BHT approach is working or not. If dramatic improvement is NOT shown in one or at the most two months. I would conclude the BHT treatment is NOT working. But everything considered what hope do you offer this person ?   ...Oscar
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To the original poster,

Having gone through the same situation, and spent many countless hours searching for a miracle cure and spending countless hours preparing concoctions to try to save a life were all futile.  The time and energy wasted could have been better spent enjoying the company of the dying loved one.

When cancer has reached this stage, especially when it has metastasized out of the lungs to the lymph nodes, and  the brain, chances are very slim for recovery.  Doctors usually say 3 to 6 months. Could be less, could be more. Your best option right now is to not stress out, but spend time with him/her, and enjoy their company while still alive.

Time is precious and short.

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Tom,  I had to get right back to you on this because of our situation at this time is nothing but a miracle. Right after we left the Drs that day we got home and a friend of Kens came over. He has had the loss of a sister and got into the research dearly and came to us with the finding of Dr.Rife and all his work from the 1930's. we started doing right down to the letter all the things as he directed us to do , such as Organic Sulfur,  and Vitamin C Protocol. A five day Liver Cleanse {DETOX}. Along with a very specific diet with NO Animal Meat at All, No Dairy, No Alchohol, Tobacco,Soda, Sugar, No Pickled fruit or foods of any kinds.  Well after 5 weeks of this along with sitting in front of a Plasma Tube like the one Dr. Rife Invented in the 1930's, we went and were called by the Drs. to do a Chemo Brochio Treatment, but after they put the scope down , they couldnt find any CANCER at ALL>    Its Cancer Free!!!!!   Be it any or allof the Treatments, Gods work is Never one and the Doctors are calling it nothing next to a Miracle but they dont know anything about our "Miracle Treatments and wouldnt believe it if we told them anyways.   If you have the time got to the Dr. Rifes web site and go watch this 2 hour video.  Please let me know what you think.  thank You for the Thoughts. 
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I mostly disagree with that philosophy. Of course nobody is suggesting spending "countless hours searching for a miracle cure and spending countless hours preparing concoctions".

There are specific dietary and lifestyle changes that will slow cancer's progression, and there are dietary and lifestyle that will cause cancer to grow faster (for example, sedentary lifestyle, high consumption of carbohydrates, animal products, alcohol, omega-6 fatty acids, iron).

Certain common drugs such as the NSAIDs Celebrex and aspirin have also been repeatedly shown to be beneficial to cancer patients, although both have potential side effects and should be taken with the permission of one's doctor.

We don't really know much about the immediate condition of the OP's friend, but it would only take a couple of hours to read about all the suggestions in this thread. Personally I think that would be time well spent.

Needless to say nobody is suggesting this will cure metastatic cancer. Conventional wisdom says it cannot be cured, except in rare cases or in certain types of cancer. But a longer life or a higher quality of life would be a reasonable expectation.
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Salvia Dali (6/1/2014)
I mostly disagree with that philosophy. Of course nobody is suggesting spending "countless hours searching for a miracle cure and spending countless hours preparing concoctions".

There are specific dietary and lifestyle changes that will slow cancer's progression, and there are dietary and lifestyle that will cause cancer to grow faster (for example, sedentary lifestyle, high consumption of carbohydrates, animal products, alcohol, omega-6 fatty acids, iron).

Certain common drugs such as the NSAIDs Celebrex and aspirin have also been repeatedly shown to be beneficial to cancer patients, although both have potential side effects and should be taken with the permission of one's doctor.

We don't really know much about the immediate condition of the OP's friend, but it would only take a couple of hours to read about all the suggestions in this thread. Personally I think that would be time well spent.

Needless to say nobody is suggesting this will cure metastatic cancer. Conventional wisdom says it cannot be cured, except in rare cases or in certain types of cancer. But a longer life or a higher quality of life would be a reasonable expectation.


Of course nobody is directly suggesting countless hours and concoctions but that's what it ends up becoming. Of course there a specific lifestyle modifications that people can do that will prevent cancer. Those types of dietary habits need to be employed long before someone is diagnosed with terminal cancer. I'm not saying that a miracle cure can't happen. But when lung cancer is stage four and metastasized to this degree chances of survival are very slim. I'm not saying give up all hope. What I am saying is that time is precious and short and the time spent running around doing these things can be better spent with the person enjoying their life, thier company, their love while still alive. The stress of running them to all these Dr appointments, clinics for miracle therapies just weakens their immune system even more, causes the patient more pain and stress, progresses the cancer quicker, and they die faster. 

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within 5 weeks of just staying home doing a few NO Animal Protein, No sugar and taking the distilled water with Organic Crystals and sitting in front of this Plasma Tube originally designed by Dr. rife    WE ARE CANCER FREE!!!!! Just want to jump on here due to the fact that every comment has a very pesismestic outcome and ours wasnt and what they told us was go home and get ahold of hospice, here are 360 more morphine pills and sorry.  Well just to let you know that was the DrS,   Smile
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To be fair, the doctors had not completely given up. You said they found that your partner was cancer-free when he went in for another round of chemo.

There is some published evidence that MSM has anticancer effects, and those other dietary changes may have been helpful. I'm more skeptical of the plasma tube business. I'm not trying to "debunk" it, but the official explanations I've read for how it works are clearly wrong.

However in principle radio waves can have subtle effects on living cells, for example by affecting the permeability of the cell membrane (which is the driving force behind all the actions of the cell). And strong magnetic fields can similarly affect cell-level functions such as mitosis. Since I'm not an electrical engineer I will leave it to others to investigate whether these tubes can be of any benefit.
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Rife's theory was that viruses are the cause of cancer, and the way to end cancer is to vibrate the viruses at their resonance frequency so that they would be destroyed.  Very curious.  I have not been able to find any reports of clinical trials, etc., for this treatment.  I still think the best orthomolecular method is intravenous Vitamin C.
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within 5 weeks of just staying home doing a few NO Animal Protein, No sugar and taking the distilled water with Organic Crystals and sitting in front of this Plasma Tube originally designed by Dr. rife    WE ARE CANCER FREE!!!!! Just want to jump on here due to the fact that every comment has a very pesismestic outcome and ours wasnt and what they told us was go home and get ahold of hospice, here are 360 more morphine pills and sorry.  Well just to let you know that was the DrS,   Smile


Dear Rebelized, I consider your cancer treatment success story of great interest and importance. Along with the other group members I am very, very happy your friend no longer has cancer. I also am a bigtime advocate of distilled water. It is water and nothing but water. Tap water is full of toxic compounds and mineral waters contain who knows what minerals.
   Now I want to know exactly what these " organic crystals " are. There are a very many compounds of carbon that exist as crystals. BHT is one. BHT has been PROVEN to fluidize the bi-layered lipid coatings of lipid coated viruses and thereby destroy said viruses.
   But you never mentioned BHT so what organic crystals was your friend using ? Any and all details of or about your friend`s successful self treatment is of great interest to many people I am sure. Please make the effort to detail your friend`s treatment as much as you can.
    You have an attentive audience here so take the stage and fill us in with a detailed report. This sort of information is very hard to come by. Sincerely,   ...Oscar
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