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 Posted 4/21/2014 7:36:15 AM
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Yesterday Kurzweil was interviewed on CNN.   He talked about the 'singularity'.  My understanding is that's the date we become machines.  That is, our consciousness is downloaded into a computer, which never dies.  Kurzweil mentioned he takes 140 pills per day.   That was followed by a counterpoint interview.  I forgot his name but it was a very obese guy with a long ponytail.  My gut feeling is neither guy is on the right path. 

For another, better view, I just read the book, What Makes Olga Run  by Bruce Grierson.  The author followed Olga for years looking for reasons for her longevity.   She's 95 and still competes in track and field.  As she's gotten older her biggest problem is finding competitors in her age bracket.  So she competes against men and women 20 years younger and still wins.   Her longevity seems to have nothing to do with genes:  Her parents, grandparents and siblings all died at usual ages.  Her diet also seems not to be a factor.   She likes beef but also likes sugar.   So not an Atkins acolyte and not a vegan.   The author concluded her long live is due to exercise.  Not an hour on the treadmill or track now and then but exercise every day.  Including some hard exercise that produces sweat.   She is in training every day.   She's lean, whether that's from her diet or the constant exercise, I don't think the author could answer. 

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Thank you for your post. Exercise at advanced ages is common to the world's blue zones.

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Thank you for your post. Exercise at advanced ages is common to the world's blue zones.


The author mentioned that.  Not so much exercise as simply working, ie physical labor,  at advanced ages. 

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Exercise appears to be the best way to assure one will meet one's life expectancy in the best health, but hadn't had evidence in its favor in regard to extending maximum life span in animal models in which calorie restriction, a technique which slows, rather than increases metabolism as does exercise, does benefit. However, calorie restricted animals do exercise more and appear more energetic.

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I take Kurzweil seriously.  He's quite an inventor and has shown that our technological advancement is proceeding exponentially.

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Thank you for your post. Exercise at advanced ages is common to the world's blue zones.

The author mentioned that.  Not so much exercise as simply working, ie physical labor,  at advanced ages. 


Longevity sans exercising is kind of like attending college without studying. Sure, some people pull it off, some even graduate with honors; but for most people, life without at least some moderate exercise ain't at all pretty. 
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Kurzweil pops 140 pills per day?
Wow.
I fill entire cupboards and much of a fridge with my daily supplements. It takes about 6 glasses of water plus several small meals and so much time to down them all. Even my travel case of sorted supplements takes more space than socks. I'm already quite the laughing stock among some family and friends: and my count averages around 40 pills per day. If things were a bit different, give me ten more years of feeling the effects of aging and a much larger budget, I can totally imagine getting to Kurzweil's pill numbers some day, in fact, I seem to be already heading there with each passing year.



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kaypeeoh (4/21/2014)
Yesterday Kurzweil was interviewed on CNN.   He talked about the 'singularity'.  My understanding is that's the date we become machines.  That is, our consciousness is downloaded into a computer, which never dies.  Kurzweil mentioned he takes 140 pills per day.   That was followed by a counterpoint interview.  I forgot his name but it was a very obese guy with a long ponytail.  My gut feeling is neither guy is on the right path. 

For another, better view, I just read the book, What Makes Olga Run  by Bruce Grierson.  The author followed Olga for years looking for reasons for her longevity.   She's 95 and still competes in track and field.  As she's gotten older her biggest problem is finding competitors in her age bracket.  So she competes against men and women 20 years younger and still wins.   Her longevity seems to have nothing to do with genes:  Her parents, grandparents and siblings all died at usual ages.  Her diet also seems not to be a factor.   She likes beef but also likes sugar.   So not an Atkins acolyte and not a vegan.   The author concluded her long live is due to exercise.  Not an hour on the treadmill or track now and then but exercise every day.  Including some hard exercise that produces sweat.   She is in training every day.   She's lean, whether that's from her diet or the constant exercise, I don't think the author could answer. 

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I agree. I was surprised to learn Kurzweil takes 140 pills a day. It seems obvious he is one of so many people who read about some supplement having some supposed benefit and never stops to consider what is the OVERALL effect of mixing all these supplement together is.
   A simple principle of chemistry is: The more reactants you mix together, the less predictable are the products of chemical reactions of said mixture. This sort of thinking seems to me not only rampant in the health supplements community, but actively promoted. You just take this that and other things and expect a good result. Also the digestive processes seem totally ignored by people caught up in this line of thinking. In my opinion: A very few supplements work best when and only when the different chemical reactions are given very careful consideration.   ...Oscar
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 A simple principle of chemistry is: The more reactants you mix together, the less predictable are the products of chemical reactions of said mixture. This sort of thinking seems to me not only rampant in the health supplements community, but actively promoted. You just take this that and other things and expect a good result. Also the digestive processes seem totally ignored by people caught up in this line of thinking. In my opinion: A very few supplements work best when and only when the different chemical reactions are given very careful consideration.



Oscar2u, yes, I agree, it is all too tempting to oversimplify irreducibly complex biological systems. There are vast unknowns about how supplements absorb, interact, and interplay with our bodies, and people pushing supplementation are frequently guilty of narrowly focusing on benefits to the exclusion of other considerations.
However, the chemical intricacies of a simple human diet even without supplements is still far too difficult to fully consider, and very much likely still lacking in what is known about optimal nutrition.  The evidence seems to point more towards careful supplementation, taken primarily with food.

Ah, but all these pills each with their own capsule and their own useless fillers to make a pill you must swallow, and so much consideration for overlap with various formulas. Open the bottles, close the bottles, count the pills, swallow, swallow, swallow. . .  It is a hassle already at some 31 pills a day( I counted, I had over-estimated earlier), Kurzweil must really have a mad system down, I saw how much he was constantly taking supplements in the documentary about him, "Transcendent Man".

I imagine the next generation of supplementation will be ready-mix custom-blended meal-replacement drinks, a la Soylent meets Life Extension. It would be so much more simple to sip a pre-measured beverage during the day than take conscientious effort at taking pill after pill.



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Kurzweil is taking all these supplements because he likes his current incarnation.  I take approx. 40 capsules a day, and I'm at my limit.  If I decide to take something new, I'll cut out what I think is the least effective of my current regimen.  Keep in mind that our food supply does not contain all the micronutrients it used to have.
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Optimal utilization of some nutrients is best done by consuming some of them at separate times from one another, which necessitates many single nutrient supplements as opposed to one multinutrient formula. For those who don't have the time for this optimization, a multinutrient supplement is utilized the way food is, with a number of nutrients consumed together, some which have antagonistic effects, some which are syngergistic in their benefits. Every day we discover new nutrients or new benefits for known food compounds, so the list one might eventually consider ingesting could one day run into the thousands.

Perhaps some day humans will be programmed to assemble the needed compounds from a few building blocks, such as are contained in air, if that programming included elemental transmutation. Or, with increased artificial body parts might come a reduced need for nutrient intake.
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