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How BHT donates hydrogen atoms without creating free radical sites.

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 Posted 4/16/2014 11:29:12 AM
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BHT [ butylated hydroxytoluene ] is a proven deactivator of free radicals and reactive oxygen species. It does so by donating hydrogen atoms to any and all free radicals many of which are reactive oxygen species. An easy and important one to explain is the hydroxyl radical. The hydroxyl radical is [ H-0. ] add a hydrogen [ .H ] and you get [ H-O-H ] water.
    These hydrogens are donated from the two tert-butyl groups because of the steric strain [ this phenomenon has other names ] on them due to overlapping carbon to hydrogen bonds. This is called the tert-butyl effect. But any carbon donating a hydrogen would itself become a free radical site. But this does NOT happen because: Those tert-butyl groups donate hydrogens more than one at a time. And each carbon [ always at least two ] that loses a hydrogen forms a carbon to carbon bond between those carbons that donate hydrogens. That concept is original to me Oscar. Until and unless someone the can show me that ANYONE thought of it prior to me.
    This is an unproven theory. But I have never read anyone else who has an explanation for how BHT can donate hydrogen atoms without creating free radical sites. It really does all fit together with my simple explanation. And this is what makes sense to me. My theory,   ...Oscar

POST SCRIPT: Torque is one of the forces involved here. These chemical bonds have specific bond lengths and angles. When the said bonds overlap they are forced to distort themselves. This weakens the bond strengths. A simple way of experimenting with this is to take a popscicle stick or any stick and twist and bend it at the same time. Eventually it breaks. So these carbon to hydrogen bonds when arranged as they are on a BHT molecule or one of it`s metabolites are under just such forces. And when said molecules come close to a free radical the added force is enough to readily break said bonds releasing a hydrogen atom to comply with the octet rule.
   Look, the best I can do is try and come up with simple explanations for some fairly complex principles of chemistry.


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Have tried something like this with Organic sulfur Crystals and water and it regenerates destroying the bad cells, and oxigenates new ones.
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rebelized (5/15/2014)
Have tried something like this with Organic sulfur Crystals and water and it regenerates destroying the bad cells, and oxigenates new ones.


Dear rebelized, BHT does NOT destroy " bad cells ". What do you mean by " bad cells  ". Cancer and or precancerous cells ?

    What BHT does is prevent cancer by deactivating free radicals that cause cancer and or the degradation of cells.
    Perhaps there is something to " ORGANIC SULFUR CRYSTALS ". That is a vague description. All it means to me is some compound that contains both carbon and sulfur and possibly other elements. Is there a specific compound you can describe ? I am interested in what you have to say. Are these " organic sulfur crystals " hydrogen atom donors ? The element sulfur is in the same column as oxygen but in the next line on the periodic table of the elements. This means it`s outer shell of electrons is one layer of electrons more and further away from the nucleus of the atom. I would therefore assume a sulfur to hydrogen bond would be weaker than an oxygen to hydrogen bond. Is this at least part of what you are talking about ?   ...Oscar
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I found these two links regarding sulfur and it`s bond strength to hydrogen here:

       http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Theoretical_Chemistry/Chemical_Bonding/General_Principles/Bond_Energies

And more on sulfur here:

        http://cnx.org/content/m34977/latest/?collection=col11124/latest

So yes the H to S bond is weaker than the O to S bond and the H-S bond is polar and the O-S bond non-polar. So there are a number of forces in play here. But I would like to know what organic sulfur crystals are exactly. A chemical model would help a lot. You really do need to look at these chemical models to try and make sense of this stuff.    ...Oscar 
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rebelized (5/15/2014)
Have tried something like this with Organic sulfur Crystals and water and it regenerates destroying the bad cells, and oxigenates new ones.


Hi Reb, This is my third follow up posting. I read and watched videos about organic sulfur crystals. I am NOT ragging on this stuff. But I have NOT read or watched any video that in any way suggests that stuff does what BHT does. Maybe I missed something. Can you provide a link that discusses organic sulfur crystals deactivating free radicals and or reactive oxygen species ? Like I said: I am NOT ragging on this stuff. Perhaps it helps in other ways that BHT does not.   ...Oscar
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MSM is an excellent source of sulfur.  I take 2 g/day of MSM.
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That BHT has been proven to have what WHO [ World Health Organization ] calls the " Protective effect " regarding cancer in both mice and rats is discussed in this WHO report:

     http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v05je23.htm

You will have to scroll down to " Special Studies on the protective effect in vivo " to read about this. That is not hard to do. That these studies have been ignored is tragic for the many people who have to deal with cancer. I can not do extracts from this report because it ends up as one long line when I try to as I have in the past. But the information is there and speaks for itself in this WHO report.   ...Oscar


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Is it true that BHT doesn't produce free radical sites?  I found two sources that would indicate the metabolites of BHT can present such danger:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9744574
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8285854

If this is so in the body, what strategy should one use to keep BHT as friend not foe?

At any rate, I am still going to add preservative-levels of BHT to all bottles of oil I buy (in addition to keeping them stored in a cool location away from light), but still on the fence about using intense doses of BHT as part of my life extension regimen.



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Kelton (Fastingly) (6/20/2014)
Is it true that BHT doesn't produce free radical sites?  I found two sources that would indicate the metabolites of BHT can present such danger:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9744574
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8285854

If this is so in the body, what strategy should one use to keep BHT as friend not foe?

At any rate, I am still going to add preservative-levels of BHT to all bottles of oil I buy (in addition to keeping them stored in a cool location away from light), but still on the fence about using intense doses of BHT as part of my life extension regimen.


Hello Kelton, Well, those studies you linked to do show that one of the metabolites of BHT [ BHT quinone ] in the presence of Cu II an ion of copper does generate free radicals. What I do not see in these studies is any mention of just how much copper was used to produce these results. There is a very long history of studies regarding BHT. And if people try hard by using massive dosages of BHT along with mixing it with things such as Cu II they can produce negative or damaging effects.
    I was NOT aware of this phenomenon. I don`t even know exactly what Cu II is. Does it occur as a normal part of human metabolism or is it some forced reaction there is no reason for assuming will occur naturally ? I do NOT know.
    I do know that BHT has been proven to extend the average lifespan of mice and rats significantly. Between 22% and 31% and more in specific studies. I will look into this and see what I can find out.   ...Oscar


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