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 Posted 7/26/2011 7:32:50 AM
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kaypeeoh (7/25/2011)
http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/index.php

This is Dr Crisler's website.   I hadn't seen your post before sending mine.  But you can see it reaffirms what I was saying.   Proscar, finasteride, beta-sitosterol and Saw Palmetto are all 5-alpha reductase inhibitors. 

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Good to see you back in the forum kpo!! How much DIM are you taking and have you a take on Chrysin? I am making a test with 500 mg of Chrysin and 200 mg of I3C/DIM. Was not happy of my last results here. Also cut down on soy.
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 Posted 7/26/2011 9:12:34 AM
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Hi Albedo,  

I take 200mg DIM daily using the Young Again brand.  I thought Chrysin was an intermediate compound that the body converts into DIM? 

I stopped all dairy and most red meat.  That did more for controlling my nocturia than anything else.  Or perhaps it's the testosterone cypionate that's helping. 

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 Posted 7/28/2011 4:22:07 AM
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kaypeeoh (7/26/2011)
Hi Albedo,  

I take 200mg DIM daily using the Young Again brand.  I thought Chrysin was an intermediate compound that the body converts into DIM? 

I stopped all dairy and most red meat.  That did more for controlling my nocturia than anything else.  Or perhaps it's the testosterone cypionate that's helping. 

kevin

Thank you Kevin, happy to hear it is going better for you on the nocturnia side. Did not know about chrysin metabolizing to DIM. Anyway I am going to make a try and retest all in Nov/Dec time frame.
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 Posted 9/11/2011 9:09:38 PM
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Hi Guys: I noticed that I was growing breasts about five years ago and went to the cornucopia called the web and learned about gyno and andro.

I joined the ANDROPAUSE SOCIETY and after researching the subject downloaded a 26 page protocall for the treatment of andropause and took it to my local GP. He, I guess was insulted and refused to read it but would give me the tests  and RELUCTANTLY prescribe 1% gel. -=-after warning me that using it would increase the liklihood that I'd develop prostate cancer and having me sign a disclaimer!

I, being a Vet went to the VA doc and was told that they only would supply it to those with conjical relationships!

They have no concern for the serious effects of androgen deficiency and the resulting elevated Estrogen for we guys! I finally harassed them into supplying the nasty androgel which is like spreading pancake syrup on yourself daily. The local compounding pharmacy makes very much better goo that rubs right in but the VA is much cheaper for this poor guy!

The alternative patches are a poor substitute in that they often irritate your skin and the shots ramp you up and down. Daily cream keeps you level.

If you're on social security or blue cross, you can find docs that will prescribe your T so you can get it.

As mentioned have the tests and find out EVERYTHING that you could be off on, HGH is EXPENSIVE but can be a great help if yours is low.

DO have your Estrogen tested every 90 days, it stops any wood and your erections!

So far, I haven't gotten anyone to provide any answers about chronically low FSH and luteinising hormones but it seems to be the effect of the supplimental T shutting off your bodies T generation --and causing uninspiring climaxes!--anyone know about that?

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 Posted 9/13/2011 11:36:04 AM
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Just stumbled on this site and figure I've got a bit to contribute.  I'm 77 and started on testosterone two years ago.

Was born with hypogonadism, a third-trimester birth defect.  Affects several things besides the gonads and testosterone production.

At age 73 I was belaedly diagnosed with hypogonadism -----PLUS PROSTATE CANCER!  My low T aided in the formation of the cancer, but I was told that increasing my T level would help the existing cancer grow!  Thus, I was given a perscription for testosterone and then told not to use it.  Not exactly a win-win -----

 Fast forward two years and I finally got to use the stuff.  I'm on a compunded creme rather then the Androgel my urologist started me with, because it's less than 1/10 the cost (I get it thru the LEF Pharmacy).  I like it better too; no mess - you put it on with an applicator and it just vanishes.  Only problem was the dosage.  Direct translation from my Androgel dose didn't work;  My T went up over 1000. With a lower dosage I'm now stable around 350-400. 

I've always liked girls; now I like them more.

I don't have medical insurance for perscriptions.  I only pay $40/month, total.  The creme is $18 of this.  Delivery is slow, probably because it's made to order.  When I'm down to a 50-day supply, I reorder.

Healthwise, I'm fine. Have a couple of dings and other wear and tear.  Creativity doesn't grace me as often, but it's still there.

Live on a big lake along the Blue Ridge in Virginia, so I hike in the hills and swim in the lake.  Used to do the 200 yard backstroke in high school and college.  Have a 1-5/8 mile course in the lake; and I 'race' against the clock (all my former times).  Over the last 20 years  my times have gone up from 37 minutes to 44.  FEELS like I'm going just as fast, but that's not what my watch says.  Get a new watch maybe?

Aside from the T, I'm taking a host of other stuff that could be helping.  Much of it is from LEF, except for an Astrogalus extract that might be healing/extending my telomeres.  If something looks like it might help me I just take it.  None of this waiting around for proof stuff. 

On the other hand, if it kills me, I stop.

Three cheers for the Placebo Effect -----
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 Posted 11/16/2011 3:53:16 AM
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Maybe the compounding pharmacy is a factor.  I use the Women's International Pharmacy to compound my bio-identical testosterone and it seems to work fine. I modulate the dosage - the prescribed dose was way too much.  Their price is lower than what I've seen mentioned here.  
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First time on the forum....have been thinking of going on HRT. In reading what others are saying, doesn't sound like that is such a good idea. The question that comes to mind, is that I was under the impression that going on HRT, that ALL the hormones needed to be balanced, that you just can't increase T, without adjusting for estrogen, thyroid, DHEA etc; Am I reading this wrong?
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Welcome, Aggie.

Yes, all hormones need to be tested and retested after being on HRT.

Have you read the information at http://www.lef.org/protocols/male_reproductive/male_hormone_restoration_01.htm ?

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Aggie...the article DDye recommends is a great read.....tells everything you need to test for and how to raise levels naturally and through HRT.  The key is the blood test at the beginning...for $250-300, you can order the tests at LE and find out which hormones you are low on.  The tough ones to balance are free test, estradiol, and SHBG, because as you add test, your estradiol will increase also.  You can easily balance everything within 6 months.  Just start low on dosages and adjust as necessary.
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My Post was to determine if all the hormones needed to be balanced at the time you actually went on HRT to get the most benefit both from a health standpoint as well as increasing libido?  Or could one just add some "T" and not bother with the other hormones?
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