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Medical policy on DVT and HRT

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 Posted 12/12/2013 6:25:52 AM
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My doctor says that I cannot have HRT because I have had two instances of a DVT (blood clot in the leg).  I take Super Miraforte because without it, I would have almost zero testosterone.  Is this a wise move?  Is testosterone such a deadly clot maker that I should be totally without it?  Is the 'no tolerance' policy that seems to be the standard really correct in view of recent testosterone research?

I don't want to be neuter.  I don't want to kill myself.  Is that possible?




Thanks,




Ron
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 Posted 12/13/2013 5:18:20 AM
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Try to lower your estradiol by using DIM and Arimidex and A-HD. 
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I take a soy capsule (LEF of course) each day to help mitigate that issue.  How much of these would be too much?
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I'd get a second opinion...

http://professionalsblog.clotconnect.org/2011/03/01/testosterone-and-thrombosis/

The article in the above listed link states:

Testosterone Replacement Therapy

Replacement therapy with low doses of testosterone does not adversely affect blood coagulation status [ref 1] and does not appear to increase the risk of venous or arterial thrombosis. Thrombosis is not listed as a potential side effect in the commly used drug compendium (Micromedex). Furthermore, the 2006 “Clinical Practice Guideline” from the Endocrine Society also does not list thrombosis as a side effect of testosterone replacement therapy, or a previous history of blood clots as a reason not to give testosterone replacement therapy [ref 2]. However, the Androgel® package insert (prescribing information) lists “blood clots in the legs” as a potential side effect [ref 3], because one patient out of 163 patients on Androgel® developed a DVT over a 3 year period of time (details here)." 



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If blood clots in the legs are an issue with Androgel, then by all means take 200 mg/day of Pycnogenol.
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As far as the blood clots, have you read Life Extensions protocols under health concerns?

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BigRonG (12/12/2013)
My doctor says that I cannot have HRT because I have had two instances of a DVT (blood clot in the leg).  I take Super Miraforte because without it, I would have almost zero testosterone.  Is this a wise move?  Is testosterone such a deadly clot maker that I should be totally without it?  Is the 'no tolerance' policy that seems to be the standard really correct in view of recent testosterone research?

I don't want to be neuter.  I don't want to kill myself.  Is that possible?




Thanks,

Ron


Troubling new research on this very topic:

http://www.excelmale.com/threads/1507-Can-Testosterone-Induce-Blood-Clots-and-Thrombosis-Interview-with-Dr-Charles-Glueck?highlight=glueck

http://www.allthingsmale.com/forum/showthread.php?23370-TRT-and-thromosis-%28blood-clot%29-risk

I'm in the same boat - had two idiopathic (unknown origin) thrombotic events and and need to start TRT. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Currently not on any prescription thinners.

I take a plethora of fibrinolytic and anticoagulants supps:

- Pine Bark Extract - 500mg TID
- Boluoke Lumbrokinase - 2 caps TID
- Neprinol AFD - 1 cap TID
- Serettia AFD - 1 cap TID
- Bromelain - 2500GDU x2 TID
- Krill Oil - 5.5g/day
- Fish Oil - 2g/day
- Omega 7 - 2 caps BID
- Ginkgo - 50mg BID
 
Anyone have some other suggestions, please provide!
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Is there a blood test that will tell you if you're more/less prone to DVT? What about a Fibrinogen test, would that be helpful?
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Is there a blood test that will tell you if you're more/less prone to DVT? What about a Fibrinogen test, would that be helpful?


This explains it all:
http://www.excelmale.com/threads/1507-Can-Testosterone-Induce-Blood-Clots-and-Thrombosis-Interview-with-Dr-Charles-Glueck
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